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listening all around the world all

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i am your host jimmy church what is

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how you doing all right

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it's going to be a great show tonight

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i'm cold i haven't thought out i got a

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gloves i wish i had a scarf i got my

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i'll do that tomorrow night

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i'll do that for everybody on the bunker

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tonight very special guest i've been

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looking forward to this for a very long

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independent filmmaker mark borchardt is

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here that's right mark borchardt is here

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and we are going to discuss his new film

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the dundee project which is about the

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tonight with mark i've been looking

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and a little note about tonight's show

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this is the thing i've been following

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mark for for a long time big fan big big

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tomorrow night is another fader night

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teresa yaneris is going to be here

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and i'm blessed i'm humbled

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and what a great week we have got lined

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up for everybody next week so there you

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and uh now you can follow us and and

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send this request and and keep up with

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us over at onsteller on stellar.com the

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new social network on stellar.com when

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you get there send me a friend request

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on friend request okay so i will catch

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up with everybody i i promise i know

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that there's some of you have to go man

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deal deal okay but do send me a friend

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request over there all right and you

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know what to do on twitter at j church

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this audience is like in the

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send me uh or you know you follow me on

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twitter but uh use hashtag f2b that is

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twitter is live well it is it's right in

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get tweet deck no matter what and uh

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twitter where you have to go well it's a

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anything like that it's just anytime

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it's like a slot machine it's really

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really cool so get tweetdeck

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f2b come over and hang out with all of

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spreaker one over at kg r a the planet

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if that's what you would like to do you

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can do that and also email is jimmy

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if you have any questions for myself or

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mark tonight on the show like any other

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i love frank zappa

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i love i hope that everybody that when i

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do uh a zapatism like that yeah right

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the central scrutinizer right yeah jelly

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i i just hope you catch that stuff

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i chose garage what a great album okay

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let's get this show crack and breaking

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there you go all right come join us for

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this year we're celebrating the 50th

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that's right i have the honor of hosting

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molten howe jason martel billy carson

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at this panel for eric so you're going

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there george nori's going to be speaking

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nassim haramain

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robert shock daniel brinkley grant

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cameron julia mossberg's teresa yaneris

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at the 2019 conscious life expo very

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uh ufo festivals and gatherings tonight

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with with mark borchardt tonight and

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right so go hoffman's optics.com and get

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that you can play anywhere you get that

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and get a private email to me

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don't know what you do with it but you

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get that too

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just go to the membership section over

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river moon coffee somebody sent me an

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email today

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and i was going to read it but

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it's so self-serving but in the emails

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like dude i drink your coffee

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right

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eat your life oil i drink the tea

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i've got the goggles and it's just so

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cool thank you guys so much for that um

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tomorrow night on the show

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and that's the reason why i'm slim and

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trim today

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uh fast start diet tomorrow night on the

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we are going to be giving away

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fast start diets tomorrow night on the

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first off

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you got to want to do the diet right

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but um and i'm going to figure out

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something clever

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for this giveaway but these are amazing

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okay and and you can go to amazon.com

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and search for fast start diet and go

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and check out everything that is in

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these gift packs that we are giving away

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tomorrow night massive three-day

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fast start diet program everything in

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there

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all right so we're going to do that

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tomorrow night on the show so i do want

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to thank fastart diet and everybody over

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there for allowing uh us to do this for

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the fader now so that'll be tomorrow

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night during fader night on the show

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all right there you go um today check

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this out

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december 5th

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they're on

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today

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nobody that influenced me

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was born

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on december 5th

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[Laughter]

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on this day in history though in 1945

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it happened it went down at 2 10 p.m

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five u.s navy avenger torpedo bombers

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comprising flight 19

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take off from the fort lauderdale naval

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air station in florida on a routine

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three-hour training mission right

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three-hour tour

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flight 19 was scheduled to take take

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them to east for about 120 miles north

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for 73 miles and then back for an

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overall

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final 120 mile leg that returns them to

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the naval base

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they never came back

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and that was on this day in 1945

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i just watched uh we were talking about

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this last week in the show

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i just watched

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close encounters

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of the third kind for the 100th time

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and that opening scene right

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with flight 19

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that's really cool and there you go and

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it happened on this day in 1945 fader

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fact

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here you go this is vetted this is real

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fader fact

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hamsters

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run up to eight miles a night

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on the wheel

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in a habit trail

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and that

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well what happened to this show what

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happened what happened

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do you guys remember those habit trails

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they were fun to put together too do

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they still make them

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habit trails that'll pop up here on

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twitter somebody posts me a picture oh

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that's good the number is three

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who did that you are quick

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that is fast

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all right all right

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all right i tweeted it just as you said

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it you guys are good that's pretty fast

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all right i want to see some pictures of

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habit trails tonight very special guest

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independent filmmaker mark borchardt is

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with us we're going to discuss his new

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film the dundee project about the ufo

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days d-a-z-e by the way days festival

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which is up in dundee wisconsin tomorrow

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night is another fader night teresa

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inerrais is going to be here divine

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frequency on the airwaves followed by

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open lines all night long my favorite

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night of the week i get to hang out with

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all of you and just talk

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now i was just talking about the ufo

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days festival and each year

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there are many festivals around the

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country

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and sure there are the big ones like

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contact in the desert it's someone that

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everybody thinks about first because it

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is the biggest and of course there's the

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conscious life expo you know we're going

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to be there this year it's also huge but

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then there's the ufo congress

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the annual mufon symposium you've got

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roswell in their festival in the ozark

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mountain ufo conference all big and fun

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full of history certainly right i get

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that

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but there's a lot of other conferences

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out there and some of them are small

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right you know little get-togethers

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little gatherings there's a lot of them

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and attending all of them would be

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impossible

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rita and i decided to pull back

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a few years ago we did almost one per

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month

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and we were getting invited to so many

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we wanted to get out there and hang out

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with the with with all of you and and

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there's so much fun

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but it just got to be too much right it

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did it it's it's just something that and

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when i talk about my schedule and our

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schedule here it gets to be old news but

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uh now we really only do just four we do

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contact in the desert we do disclosure

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fest conscious life expo and of course

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soul tech

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and i mean there's a point

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you have to look at

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things in this regard there's 12 months

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out of the year right

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and each one of those months i'm over at

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coast to coast uh for one or two

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weekends

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so that kills that so that means we have

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one uh or two weekends free per month

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four of those months are taken up with

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four other conferences so that means

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there's like eight months there that are

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available

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and then i've got taping and other

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things that i do for television so that

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whacks out a bunch of weekends and then

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when it we stopped and looked at the

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schedule

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really i i like to take

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a day off or two per month

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you know and it got to the point

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especially a couple of years ago where

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we went like 12 straight months without

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a day off it was an insane just imagine

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if you worked

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365 days a year 10 12 14 16 hours per

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day you know it it got we if

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man your mind starts to swim so we had

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to back off of that

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but one of the things that we did

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realize when

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when we were hitting all of these

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conferences

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there it's not just about these big ones

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over here on the west coast

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the ones over here in the west coast are

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easy for us to get to so and i know it

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seems that way because we talk about

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contact or soul tech so much

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that everything is out here but to be

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honest that's just not the case it's not

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and if you look around i get emails you

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know i get requests phone calls you know

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you've all heard them you know jimmy you

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guys have to do stuff out here on the

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east coast where the east coast

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conferences well they're out there

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they're all across the country and if

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you just look around where you live

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chances are you're gonna find a local

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annual ufo gathering that has pretty

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much all the stuff of the big shows

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you're going to have great people an

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awesome hangout you're going to have

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conversations food right wine

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speakers

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and you're probably gonna have some

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great night watching too

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and you're gonna be able to go and just

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hang out

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um you know when we go to something like

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e city or

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you know east city where they're you

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know you've got 150 people there

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you know it's not 5 000

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but it is as fun as anything

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and so around you

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you have

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a great

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great gathering of people

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case in point you know the subject of

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our guest tonight mark borchardt

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and his new film the dundee project is

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the annual ufo gathering that's called

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ufo days up in dundee wisconsin

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and here's the deal if you think about

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it have you heard of ufo days well

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probably not

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but if i lived in wisconsin

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i'd be there every year

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i'm guaranteed

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i would

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and it's held up north uh on the north

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end of long lake and dundee

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and they have their own reasons for this

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event

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and one of them is they've got craft

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that are visiting this small town

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that's right and their lake and dundee

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mountain which is there

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they've got their reasons to get

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together

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and so if you're in the chicago area if

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you're in northern illinois or or

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wisconsin

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and you're around there this is this is

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an event that you should go and attend

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every single year it's right there

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right each week i get invitations to

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events like this

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and i know they are truly everywhere

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they're everywhere every state we get

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invitations all the time and i'll go and

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i'll look and i just sit there and man i

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wish i had the time i wish i could get

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out there and get to these because i

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know how fun they are and what you could

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do i wish i had the the time to attend

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them all but if you have an event in

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your area this is what i want you to do

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post it up on twitter post it up on

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twitter post it in the sandbox

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if you do it'll get a retweet every

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single time i i promise you that and if

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you attend an event a local event in

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your area post the pictures of it tell

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us the story get the word out

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it's really cool this is a community

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everybody it's a community it's a family

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and we're here to support in any way

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that we can you know and speaking of

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this community i i did want to mention

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this really quick i've gotten a lot of

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email about the lazar film

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and and my comments in the show and

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and uh my review

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um most of it positive i would say that

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nearly everybody agrees with

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what i have said

565
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:07,039
um but it's it's kind of weird how it's

566
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generated a little bit of dissension

567
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,159
amongst the troops

568
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:13,840
and what i mean by that

569
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is

570
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,029
i've said it over and over

571
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:23,600
for years and not only a year but it

572
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:26,240
just this past week

573
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,600
and it's either you believe bob or you

574
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:31,200
don't

575
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:32,240
that's

576
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:33,919
it

577
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:36,880
the film

578
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,320
isn't going to change anything for you

579
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:42,240
and and that's it

580
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:43,120
that

581
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:48,000
pointing out everything on the lazar

582
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side for or against whatever it may be

583
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:53,120
you're not going to change anybody's

584
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:54,640
minds either

585
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:56,640
it's not going to happen i mean i can

586
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imagine someone saying something like

587
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,799
you know men you know uh you know they

588
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:02,640
go and they watch the film

589
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:04,960
and they say you know i used to think

590
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:07,440
lazar was full of crap man but after

591
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,480
watching this i'm all in you know viva

592
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little azar

593
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,279
it ain't gonna happen

594
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:17,039
or the opposite of that right like i

595
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:19,360
used to believe in bob man but after

596
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,559
watching the new film um i i think he's

597
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,320
made it all up

598
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:26,960
it's not gonna happen neither

599
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:29,440
neither statement is going to come from

600
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,559
you

601
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:32,400
it's not going to happen

602
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:36,320
okay so that's the film

603
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,919
the film ain't going to do it no matter

604
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:39,679
what the promises are or the belief or

605
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,559
whatever you think it's not going to

606
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,240
change people's minds it's not going to

607
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:46,080
change yours and you are not going to

608
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,440
change somebody else's and you're

609
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,760
certainly not going to change mine

610
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:51,120
for the record

611
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:53,840
i do believe that lazar made it to area

612
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,320
51. i can't belie be any more clear than

613
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:58,720
that i've said that for years i'm saying

614
00:25:03,269 --> 00:24:59,840
it now

615
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:03,279
that's my personal belief i believe

616
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:06,720
lazar made it to area 51. now

617
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,840
what he did there i don't know

618
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,360
neither do you

619
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:13,600
right i don't know

620
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:14,960
i don't

621
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,360
i've got his experiences

622
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,360
but i don't know

623
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:21,760
i don't i hope that everything went down

624
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:23,679
the way that he says it did

625
00:25:27,909 --> 00:25:24,880
i do

626
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,919
but then there's the other part which is

627
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,000
this you know the mit

628
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,159
and the caltech stuff

629
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,080
and that's not going to get answered

630
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,480
until there are diplomas

631
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,799
at a very minimum by the way i'm not

632
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,799
even sure the diplomas would change

633
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,559
people's minds or mine

634
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:45,120
but but that's it

635
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:46,320
that's it

636
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,039
yeah and and the reason why i say that

637
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:51,360
and i want again i just want to be very

638
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:54,159
very clear here lazar made it to area

639
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:58,480
51. lazar probably worked at los alamos

640
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:01,840
what he did at los alamos i don't know

641
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:04,000
i don't know i haven't seen anything

642
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:05,200
but

643
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:06,559
that's it

644
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:07,440
okay

645
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,039
but when it comes to education you can't

646
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,440
take everyone at their word when it

647
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,600
comes to this kind of stuff because if

648
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:17,200
we all did

649
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:18,559
well

650
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:22,000
everyone would have gone to yale

651
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:26,000
harvard mitch caltech

652
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:27,120
that's it

653
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:30,400
so that's why there are diplomas

654
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:33,360
okay so if you're gonna say it you back

655
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:36,799
it up that's it no diploma you didn't go

656
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:39,520
that's all so i wish he would just come

657
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:41,919
clean about it maybe his memory's been

658
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:43,919
messed with i don't know what it is but

659
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:46,960
no diploma he didn't go i can't go into

660
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:49,200
an employer and tell him i went to

661
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,480
caltech

662
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:52,559
and they say where's your diploma and i

663
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:56,400
go i don't have it well

664
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:57,360
you know

665
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,279
and that's the truth and that's that's

666
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,279
it and there are certain standards that

667
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,440
we need to hold ourselves all to

668
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:05,200
so with that

669
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just watch the movie

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or not

671
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right

672
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,799
that's it

673
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either way

674
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it's not a life-changing event

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all right

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think about that

677
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watch the film okay don't expect

678
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anything

679
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to just don't just watch the film you'll

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come out of the other side without a

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scratch i promise and just leave it at

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that

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changed either way that's not what this

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all right welcome back bay to black

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harmonious jimmy church tonight mark

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borchardt is here

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he is here he's in the batter's box

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tomorrow night

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fader night open lines all night long

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and we were at the premiere uh for bob

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lazar on monday night in downtown los

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and uh that's that's it there's nothing

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did it we're going to give away three of

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those tomorrow night on the show tonight

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it's mark borchardt he is a milwaukee

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filmmaker screenwriter playwright his

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latest film the dundee project which i

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watched today and we've got all of the

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links up uh for the film over on the

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website we've got them up in twitter too

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as well recently screened at slam dance

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as well as uh the opening night gala for

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continues a burgeoning run of festivals

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around the country he's also had three

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of his recent plays produced and or read

842
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:55,839
at milwaukee's village playhouse and

843
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,320
samuel french right here in los angeles

844
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:00,640
his upcoming film projects include

845
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:04,720
transference and acid killer chicks

846
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,400
that sounds like something i want to see

847
00:35:11,430 --> 00:35:08,880
his latest film is called the dundee

848
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:11,440
project and it's about the ufo days

849
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,880
festival up in dundee wisconsin and i

850
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:16,480
would like to welcome for the first time

851
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,400
right here to fade to black

852
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,880
mark borchardt mark good evening how are

853
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,079
you

854
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:24,640
hey good evening jimmy how am i well i'm

855
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:27,040
alive i have my help and that is a good

856
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:28,880
thing and you know you have your

857
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:30,800
thoughts and your

858
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:32,880
well-being so you can't beat that with a

859
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:35,280
stick no that's you're exactly right on

860
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:38,240
that and before we get started

861
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:41,680
you get the first time guest disclaimer

862
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,200
mark so let me get that out of the way

863
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:44,640
so we can move on

864
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,800
and it goes like this

865
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:48,800
mark it's just you and i sitting on my

866
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,200
couch having a conversation as friends

867
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,040
and where the conversation starts it

868
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,280
starts where it ends it ends but we're

869
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,599
gonna end his friends there you go you

870
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,040
ready

871
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,200
well you're a poet man

872
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,359
you see check this out couple things

873
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,119
about you uh

874
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:07,920
which i i really enjoy

875
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:09,760
one you

876
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:10,880
you

877
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:17,040
right

878
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:20,240
that's all

879
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:24,000
right there's that part and then

880
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:26,800
when you engage with people

881
00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:27,839
and

882
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:28,680
your

883
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:31,440
conversations start

884
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:32,240
you

885
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:38,000
enjoy engaging but then there's the chit

886
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,280
chat part that is not part of you

887
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,359
and it kind of pulls against each other

888
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:45,440
and then i want to add a third

889
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:48,320
part to this and then i want your answer

890
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:51,200
you have a fantastic radio show man

891
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,880
you do and

892
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,880
yeah cinema fireside

893
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:57,359
and and i've listened to so much of it

894
00:37:02,390 --> 00:36:59,920
and what i enjoy about the show

895
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,400
is you turn on the microphone and you

896
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,480
let her rip tater chip

897
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:06,560
and so for somebody that doesn't like

898
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:09,359
chit chat you really like to talk and

899
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:11,440
you've got this knowledge that you share

900
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:12,720
with everybody

901
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:15,119
so it's kind of a yin-yang thing going

902
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:16,960
on now i'm confronting you with this

903
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,839
what do you think about that

904
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:21,599
well it's reductive because i only do

905
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:23,920
like about a 10-minute uh monologue and

906
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,800
then i'm exhausted so i can't uh play

907
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,560
upon your um

908
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,560
ambitions in that respect but if there's

909
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:32,960
something interesting to discuss that

910
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:34,160
truly

911
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:37,280
you know enlivens the uh the spirit i'm

912
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:39,440
totally down

913
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:42,480
the uh the other thing that you do and i

914
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:44,320
really enjoy this

915
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,119
is and and feel free to do this at any

916
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,520
point tonight during the show is that

917
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:52,000
you when you engage

918
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:52,880
uh

919
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:58,480
press or television you know you do

920
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,760
you will

921
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:02,400
answer a question with a question

922
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,160
and and that is something that is a

923
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:06,800
pretty endearing quality but it's

924
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,880
interesting how you can get the

925
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:10,800
reactions from the people that you are

926
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:12,640
engaging with

927
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:15,359
uh in doing that is that some do you do

928
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:17,760
that just like in everyday life is is

929
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:20,079
that or is that something that you just

930
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:24,000
uh you know save for the public

931
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:25,359
um

932
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:26,960
you know i think again like i say i

933
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:28,720
think there's a certain amount of

934
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:31,040
empathy and intelligence it's an

935
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,359
admixture i think of those two

936
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:35,520
essential elements and

937
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:38,160
again like i say the the idea of small

938
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:41,440
talks uh soul killer so to elevate

939
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:42,960
that uh

940
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:45,440
marginality into something potentially

941
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:47,359
greater would be the mission in

942
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:49,920
conversation if that helps

943
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:53,040
and do you find that sometimes because i

944
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,960
totally understand what you're saying

945
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:56,880
and then there's the other i don't know

946
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:58,160
what

947
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,680
i'm just getting there

948
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:01,680
and the the other part of that is

949
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:04,800
sometimes people just want

950
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:06,960
to have that contact and they don't know

951
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:10,320
another way to go about it other than

952
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:11,839
the chit chat

953
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:14,240
and if you and if you don't do that

954
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:15,680
you're going to break hearts and you

955
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:19,990
uh

956
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,240
not one in particular but um no but

957
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,560
anyway uh yeah what i'm saying is yeah

958
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:26,880
of course if you you you engage people

959
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:30,079
and uh amicable fashion but what i'm

960
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:32,160
saying is you can't let it go on and

961
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,240
it's like drinking water i mean you can

962
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:36,320
drink a glass of water at a time but not

963
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:38,560
128 ounces that's that's going to kill

964
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:41,200
you so it has to be within a reasonable

965
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:42,000
home

966
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:44,800
of of reasonability

967
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,079
and with that uh everything that i just

968
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:50,720
said is who you are

969
00:40:02,069 --> 00:39:51,520
you

970
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,079
independent fiercely independent

971
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:04,400
and you just

972
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:06,160
depend on yourself

973
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:09,520
and i respect that uh so much but it's

974
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:11,119
tough these days

975
00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:13,680
to make uh to be independent and

976
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:16,320
certainly an independent filmmaker

977
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:19,760
how do you manage to get it done

978
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:20,640
well

979
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,880
first of all it's not that independent

980
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:24,720
man i've got a

981
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:26,560
partner who's who's

982
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,200
very very strong and very very very

983
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:31,440
supportive and so on and so forth second

984
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:34,480
of all uh i mean if you focus on what

985
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:37,359
you're doing to a degree or whatever

986
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:40,800
you're going to get a certain amount of

987
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:44,240
return from that focus you know and

988
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,240
you know it's how do you spend you know

989
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,240
the bulk of your day you know that's

990
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,560
what comes into question so i mean it's

991
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:52,400
only hard if you make it hard and it's

992
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:53,520
very

993
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:56,240
psychologically hard to get attuned to

994
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:57,440
something that

995
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:00,240
98 of the people could care less about

996
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:02,240
so you have all of these exterior

997
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,599
elements always

998
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:06,160
pulling you away from your inner core so

999
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,280
you have that tension that struggle on

1000
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,440
on a minute by minute basis

1001
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,280
not minute by minute but day by day i

1002
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,760
should say sure

1003
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:17,280
because people

1004
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:19,839
people go where the rivers run easiest

1005
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,480
essentially when you are doing your

1006
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,480
thing you know you have

1007
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,560
you're out on your own

1008
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:28,880
essentially so

1009
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,359
well and there's there's

1010
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,680
something else here that uh i want the

1011
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,920
audience really to be aware of

1012
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:37,040
is that

1013
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:38,240
you

1014
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:39,440
don't

1015
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,839
waste i should say or spend or waste

1016
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:42,960
your time

1017
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:44,960
with needless things and you've

1018
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,119
expressed this a lot over the years you

1019
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:49,440
know i'm talking about television or

1020
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:52,720
distractions and stuff you

1021
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,520
uh

1022
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,760
are are writing constantly you're

1023
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:57,440
looking at yourself you're trying to

1024
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:59,119
improve your productions you're reading

1025
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,319
scripts

1026
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,960
is is that your hobby are you reading

1027
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:04,880
and studying other filmmakers and the

1028
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:07,680
art of film and constantly trying to

1029
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,079
prove yourself and not worried about you

1030
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:12,240
know the distractions that are around

1031
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:13,839
you

1032
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,760
yeah i don't know if i have any hobbies

1033
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,599
i don't think i have the time for that

1034
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:18,880
that's been

1035
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:22,000
just by my nature i i've study every day

1036
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:23,760
that's that's what i've done my entire

1037
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:27,200
life i read every day i write every day

1038
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,040
think critically every day and that's

1039
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:31,359
just the way it's always been so

1040
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,800
yeah there's no i don't i don't

1041
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,560
i don't know if any hobbies or anything

1042
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:38,720
like that it's that's just not part of

1043
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:39,920
who i am

1044
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,880
there was a reform i i think there's one

1045
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:45,040
hobby and and i'm gonna ask you about

1046
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:47,040
this i say i don't even know

1047
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:50,400
but a couple of times i heard you

1048
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,280
reference uh music and instruments and

1049
00:42:56,829 --> 00:42:55,119
in fact you called an interviewer one

1050
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,839
you asked him if he was a bass player

1051
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,280
right and i thought to myself

1052
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,960
you probably don't remember that but i

1053
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,880
thought to myself aha

1054
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:04,160
borshard

1055
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:05,839
is a guitar player

1056
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,359
he's a musician do you play

1057
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:11,680
no i'm not a musician because a musician

1058
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:14,079
is someone who would understand

1059
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,200
the functionality of you know of

1060
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:19,280
the narrative of court families to a

1061
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:21,920
great extent and could play in public

1062
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:24,319
with confidence make an income from it

1063
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:27,680
so on and so forth i do play the guitar

1064
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:31,040
i do do music but that's that's for my i

1065
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:33,280
will i did it for the dundee project

1066
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:36,560
and we'll do it for uh my upcoming films

1067
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,200
but uh no i'm not a musician but i do

1068
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:42,000
play okay before uh one last question

1069
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:43,520
and we'll get off the music subject what

1070
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:46,240
kind of guitar do you have

1071
00:43:52,829 --> 00:43:49,440
uh the electric phenibanez the acoustics

1072
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:52,839
are alvarez's and then i've got a

1073
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:56,880
three-quarter oscar schmidt and uh

1074
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,119
probably some other stuff here too so

1075
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:01,520
yeah i knew it okay so there's another

1076
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,440
main one then ivan is electric in

1077
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,520
alvarez is on the acoustic yeah right

1078
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:07,200
out man i knew it i knew it okay we'll

1079
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,400
get off of that

1080
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,640
um a couple of quick questions these are

1081
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:12,319
just for me

1082
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,359
um i was listening in your audience and

1083
00:44:19,330 --> 00:44:17,359
and well see that's the thing it's just

1084
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:19,340
you and i said

1085
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:20,720
[Laughter]

1086
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:21,520
right

1087
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:25,280
so but this is for me i'm a big film guy

1088
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:28,319
i well i'd like to think that i study

1089
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,599
and and i enjoy but i have my favorites

1090
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:33,839
um and for you

1091
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,800
um

1092
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:36,800
do you have a director

1093
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,200
that has guided you where you went you

1094
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:41,599
know what he frames right this this guy

1095
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:44,000
he's got the right editing i like what

1096
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:45,920
he's doing was there a director that

1097
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:51,910
well i i have to i

1098
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:54,319
what i do is original i just i just i

1099
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,720
really am not into that

1100
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,560
i yeah i just don't

1101
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,400
i'm not into that copycat thing i've

1102
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:02,319
just never did that with my writing with

1103
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,400
my filming with music or anything i just

1104
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:06,480
i just don't do that but

1105
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,599
uh the filmmakers that i do admire

1106
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,520
the essential ones are

1107
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,520
welles and bergman they're like right at

1108
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:15,440
the top of the list of the list and then

1109
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,119
there's uh hurt sog and fassbender

1110
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,599
dreyer antoniani

1111
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:23,040
romere

1112
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:24,640
um

1113
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,760
i mean this goes on and on so yeah that

1114
00:45:31,829 --> 00:45:30,160
goes but yeah bergman and wells

1115
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,839
and herzog and that definitely are at

1116
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:33,520
the top of the list

1117
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:35,680
when you do you

1118
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:38,880
do you pay attention or go to any of the

1119
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,960
big budget films or is that something

1120
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:41,920
that

1121
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:44,400
isn't important to you

1122
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:47,520
no it's what's important to me is to go

1123
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:48,880
to

1124
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,000
and inspiration that last night i was

1125
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:56,400
blessed with a 35 millimeter

1126
00:46:02,069 --> 00:46:00,400
print device wide shut uh a beautiful

1127
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,079
big screen

1128
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:04,240
um

1129
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,440
uh screening of i am cuba i've seen that

1130
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:09,280
before but never on the big screen from

1131
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:12,160
64. memories of under development from

1132
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:15,440
68 these are those just those three

1133
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:16,880
recent films

1134
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:20,000
mean so much to me i am cuba memories of

1135
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:21,520
underdevelopment

1136
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,880
and eyes wide shut just stunning impact

1137
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:26,240
on my psyche

1138
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:27,599
wow and

1139
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:30,560
to see to see eyes wide shut 35

1140
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:31,920
millimeter

1141
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,240
um that

1142
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,480
that must have been pretty cool do you

1143
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:38,640
think uh okay and then we'll get off of

1144
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:41,359
eyes wide shut but i've seen we should

1145
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:44,319
indulge i i see i'm so with you on that

1146
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:45,680
i'm so with you

1147
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:47,040
do you

1148
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:50,000
okay okay let's let's join hips

1149
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,400
do you think that the film was completed

1150
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,119
well that's ridiculous because uh

1151
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:59,280
it's like talking about the magnificent

1152
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:01,920
ambersons you know how it was

1153
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:04,079
it she chopped and chopped and chopped

1154
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:06,319
you know wells uh

1155
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,280
uh

1156
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:09,599
second film and here's the thing he

1157
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:11,839
never topped out on magnificent amber

1158
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:14,000
since he was called to south america by

1159
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:15,599
the u.s government

1160
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:16,720
uh

1161
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:18,800
for public relations to fill down there

1162
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,119
so he never abandoned the project

1163
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,880
and they said well if wells would have

1164
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:24,079
would have caught it it would have been

1165
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:25,520
great well no it wouldn't have been

1166
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:26,960
great because if you look at a lot of

1167
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,599
the footage it's just not that good so

1168
00:47:34,550 --> 00:47:31,599
it's like you don't even want more so

1169
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,560
it's the magnificent amberson's is awash

1170
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:36,640
guys wide shut i think he basically had

1171
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,240
the film done and it's in his style so

1172
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,160
there's nothing

1173
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,480
that's going to contribute to it in any

1174
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:46,160
editorial form that's going to make it

1175
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:49,280
any better eyes wide shut is complete

1176
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:52,400
now i agree with the editing okay and

1177
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,040
and when i hear those critics say that

1178
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:57,280
that stanley would what are they saying

1179
00:48:02,630 --> 00:47:58,720
what are they saying you know that that

1180
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:02,640
the edits weren't quite fine-tuned as as

1181
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,440
he would have wanted in the final and

1182
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,680
and i i disagree with that but i do

1183
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:09,200
agree with them

1184
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,440
with the the composition of the

1185
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:13,920
soundtrack and some of the audio

1186
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:16,400
wasn't up to the standards of of

1187
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,240
everything that he had done prior

1188
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,079
no that that that's completely

1189
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:24,480
ridiculous i've i've i've seen i know

1190
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:25,440
he's got

1191
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:27,920
only 13 films i've seen them all and

1192
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:29,920
there's there's nothing more or less

1193
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,839
about that that that soundtracks

1194
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:34,079
immaculate i mean unless somebody could

1195
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,640
make specific provable comparisons

1196
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:38,480
there's there's just no way that makes

1197
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:39,359
sense

1198
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:40,880
see and that's what i enjoy about you

1199
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:44,079
mark you're gonna stick to it i uh yeah

1200
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:45,599
i mean you don't know because you guess

1201
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:48,559
what the emperor has no clothes

1202
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,520
have you seen that movie

1203
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:53,359
is it a film yeah there's a there's a

1204
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:56,240
documentary out okay uh that's a that's

1205
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:59,359
a whole that's a russell brand uh uh

1206
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:00,880
documentary that came out a couple of

1207
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:04,240
years ago um now

1208
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:05,680
getting back to

1209
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,480
uh

1210
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,720
what is happening today

1211
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:10,720
when it comes to

1212
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:13,760
the the modern parts of cinema it seems

1213
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,599
like and this is my little segue into

1214
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:17,440
the ufo subject

1215
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:20,400
it seems that hollywood now

1216
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:22,000
um has

1217
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:23,839
morphed into this

1218
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,559
if if you want to film project

1219
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,319
greenlighted if you want the budget and

1220
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:30,640
you want the ticket sales you make an

1221
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,280
alien invasion movie right you do it

1222
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:35,839
seems like a few come out every single

1223
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,520
week and they're in constant production

1224
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,200
out here

1225
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:41,359
what do you think is is going on with

1226
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:44,319
that where hollywood has no issues with

1227
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:47,440
cranking these these alien

1228
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:52,160
invasion films i mean one after another

1229
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:54,800
well you must be privy to a lot of alien

1230
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,960
invasion films because i haven't heard

1231
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:58,800
of any but uh

1232
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:02,160
obviously out there it's it's to make

1233
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,599
these films with um

1234
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:07,839
based upon short-term

1235
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:10,559
high-interest loans that they need to

1236
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,440
pay back pretty quickly to the bank and

1237
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:15,839
so whatever is going to

1238
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,240
ex create collective hysteria in the

1239
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:20,640
ticket buying audience that's what they

1240
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,359
have to go for you know it's

1241
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:25,599
it's a it's an economic gamble with a

1242
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,000
lot of people's money

1243
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:30,480
uh with those films out there

1244
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,640
yeah and it i it feels to me sometimes

1245
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:36,079
mark that

1246
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:37,599
there seems to be some kind of

1247
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:40,960
underlying message here we all know that

1248
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:43,359
we're not alone in this universe right

1249
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:45,119
and and we know that

1250
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:46,800
but it seems like

1251
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:49,680
they're trying to acclimate humanity

1252
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:51,839
right it's like they're trying to get

1253
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:54,480
some kind of strange message across

1254
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:56,240
so that if something crazy hollywood are

1255
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:57,359
the alien

1256
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,559
right or both right or both correct so

1257
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,319
when it does happen

1258
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:05,040
it's it we're not going to react in a

1259
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:08,480
crazy way we're just going to know that

1260
00:51:16,829 --> 00:51:14,790
okay well yeah i think that

1261
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,839
we become

1262
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,640
acculturated to

1263
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,480
new things pretty

1264
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:22,880
quickly that that's in our instinctual

1265
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:25,359
nature so i mean you're you're trying to

1266
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:27,440
tell me that los angeles was trying to

1267
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:28,800
prepare us

1268
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:31,200
to meet aliens

1269
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:32,960
is that what you're thinking about i'm

1270
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:35,680
strongly suggesting that yes

1271
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:37,760
what what what what would

1272
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:40,880
a hollywood or an executive in los

1273
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:43,280
angeles trying to make his mortgage have

1274
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:45,440
any interest in

1275
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:48,880
joe blow being acclimated to aliens see

1276
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:50,800
and that's a great question and that's

1277
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:52,240
why you're on this show because i knew

1278
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,680
you were going to do this

1279
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,760
i'll tell you

1280
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:57,599
one simple answer

1281
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:01,760
the cia's office of entertainment

1282
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:04,720
and you can go you can go to the cia's

1283
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:05,839
website

1284
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:08,720
and you can look it up and you can see

1285
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:11,839
their agenda and how they work closely

1286
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:14,079
with hollywood to make sure that their

1287
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:16,079
message is delivered and it's right

1288
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:18,800
there as a matter of fact they're hiring

1289
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,400
right you could go there right now and

1290
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,839
apply for a job

1291
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:23,119
and well

1292
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:24,559
there's probably a pretty good pension

1293
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,880
involved with that either probably is

1294
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,240
you know and

1295
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:30,960
there there has been many examples mark

1296
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:33,839
over the years of the cia

1297
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:36,559
getting scripts in advance

1298
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:38,960
altering those scripts sending them back

1299
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:40,880
to hollywood and that's what made it to

1300
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:48,150
i'm speechless but yeah no i yeah i i

1301
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:50,559
don't know i'm i'm not in the cia

1302
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:53,040
offices that i'm not in the los angeles

1303
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:54,640
office there's a production company so i

1304
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:56,000
wouldn't know but

1305
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:58,960
it sounds pretty abstract but you know

1306
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:00,640
maybe that's the spice of life

1307
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:03,040
altogether who knows now

1308
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,240
the uh

1309
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:06,559
like i said this is my segue when we

1310
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:07,680
come to

1311
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:10,160
something like the dundee project and i

1312
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:13,200
think most that would watch this film

1313
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:15,119
would assume a couple of things and the

1314
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,480
first thing is

1315
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:18,720
you just went out there and shot this

1316
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:21,520
and and came back but this this was

1317
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,920
a few years in the making this wasn't

1318
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:25,200
something that was

1319
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:29,359
just decided on a whim was it

1320
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:31,520
uh it was decided on a whim

1321
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:34,400
uh i went out there and

1322
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:35,760
like i say i

1323
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,440
i can't engage in small talk after five

1324
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,599
minutes i start to go bonkers

1325
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:43,920
beautiful country up there so i brought

1326
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:46,400
my camera equipment and you know hey how

1327
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,559
you doing you know oh yeah you gotta you

1328
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:50,880
know this and that i'm so okay and then

1329
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:52,880
i just take the tripod

1330
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:54,960
start filming the beautiful

1331
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:57,280
maybe grass in the sunlight

1332
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:00,800
the water the rippling sparkling water

1333
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:03,040
and so that's what i just did it on a

1334
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:03,920
whim

1335
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:06,559
and uh throughout the years found these

1336
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,920
interesting

1337
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:10,000
people who had a great presence on

1338
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,800
camera and started interviewing them and

1339
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:14,480
talking with them and that's how it came

1340
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:17,359
about on a whim did you what what made

1341
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:20,400
you aware of ufo days

1342
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:22,319
did you have an interest in ufology

1343
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,960
before that

1344
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,920
well

1345
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:27,680
there's two parts that

1346
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,240
the the specific way that i found out

1347
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:32,880
about that when i did

1348
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:34,160
waste

1349
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:37,040
some of my god-given precious time here

1350
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:38,960
on earth

1351
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:41,440
occasionally in front of a television

1352
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:42,960
screen

1353
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:45,359
going through all that garbage i they

1354
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:48,240
came across uh i came across a channel

1355
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:51,520
that olson was talking about some ufo

1356
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,160
event and it happened to be in wisconsin

1357
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,880
in dundee i said oh my gosh man it's

1358
00:55:02,790 --> 00:54:59,040
right where i live you know the way and

1359
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:02,800
that's how i became aware of it

1360
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:04,160
and

1361
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:07,200
yeah yeah no go ahead i'm sorry

1362
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:09,040
and then part two

1363
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:11,440
yeah i grew up in the 70s where there

1364
00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:13,119
was a an

1365
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:15,760
embellished interest in the occult

1366
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:18,640
leonard d moy what is great

1367
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:22,559
um show obviously and then

1368
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:25,680
ufos bigfoot the bermuda triangle the

1369
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:29,119
loch ness monster those four things were

1370
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:31,680
in the collective mentality in the

1371
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:34,400
zeitgeist at that point in america in

1372
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,160
the 70s so i

1373
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:38,160
you know that that culture surrounded

1374
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:40,960
you of interest

1375
00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:41,920
and

1376
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:46,800
how far is dundee from milwaukee

1377
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:49,599
it's about it's about an hour it's about

1378
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:51,280
an hour driving

1379
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:52,079
and

1380
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:55,200
were you surprised to find out uh when

1381
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,720
you got there

1382
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:58,079
that

1383
00:56:01,910 --> 00:55:59,280
dundee

1384
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:01,920
it's it's not a ufo festival that was

1385
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,760
put together because some people had

1386
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:06,079
interest in ufos they got together

1387
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,040
because

1388
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:09,359
they are getting visited right they've

1389
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,599
got crafts that are coming down to the

1390
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:13,200
lake to the mountain they're hanging out

1391
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,400
flying over you know and and that's what

1392
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:18,480
is going on there right in the middle of

1393
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:21,119
wisconsin

1394
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right i mean yeah there are some

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individuals who

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believe that that that's what's going on

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that it's this

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centrifugation and you know they they

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00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:33,200
believe their aliens are go visiting

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ships

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so on and so forth and you know that's

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their prerogative whatever their

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00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:41,760
mental state is that brings them to that

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00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:45,520
perception god bless them but yeah

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00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:48,240
and how many trips have you made uh each

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00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,079
year uh how many times have you been

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00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:52,799
back to ufo days

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uh when i was going i went maybe

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00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:58,000
i don't even know maybe eight nine ten

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00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:00,720
times and it's once a year it's like in

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july

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many i haven't gone for a while because

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00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:12,319
of my mentality i just just olson i just

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00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:14,000
something doesn't exist for me anymore

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00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:16,880
so that that had its time and it's that

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00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:20,000
time is documented in that film now so

1417
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:22,799
if i decided to go out uh

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00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:25,680
to ufo days next summer would you go

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00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:27,599
with me

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00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:29,680
it's possible i don't know exactly what

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00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:32,720
my mentality would be so i mean some

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00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:33,440
so

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00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,440
on saturday i said well there's got to

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00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:39,359
be a lot of money

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00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:41,920
involved to book out to iowa on a whim

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00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:44,720
on saturday now i'll tell you that

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00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:47,040
but it's the uh we've got to take a

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00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:48,640
break right here but

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00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:51,040
when you go obviously if you went eight

1430
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:54,559
or nine times uh you make friends right

1431
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:59,040
and is ufo bob uh still around

1432
00:58:01,990 --> 00:58:00,400
i don't know he may from what i

1433
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:02,000
understand he may have went to heaven

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00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:03,599
god bless his soul i don't want to say

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00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,720
for sure

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00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:06,720
that that would be my understanding and

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00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:08,799
i don't know if you you do make friends

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00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:10,960
but you make more acquaintances than

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00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:13,680
friends friends are someone who more or

1440
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,559
less on a regular basis walks

1441
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:18,799
the same path as you do acquaintances

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00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:20,240
you know uh

1443
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:22,240
i've hit and miss but i know we have to

1444
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:24,880
do a break yeah he was uh quite the

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00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:27,440
character and so when we come back uh

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00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:30,240
we'll discuss ufo bob a little bit and

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00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:31,760
everything else that is involved with

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00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:34,160
this with this film and we watched it

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00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,040
today a few times and the links are up

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over at jimmychurchradio.com and

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certainly right there in twitter this is

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fade to black our guest tonight mark

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borchardt filmmaker director playwright

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all of that we'll be right back after

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this short break more with mark

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borchardt right after this stay with us

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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all right welcome back paid to black on

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tonight mark borchardt is here filmmaker

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screenwriter playwright

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talking about his latest project it is

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called the dundee project it's about the

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ufo days festival up in dundee wisconsin

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and it's on the

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it's on the north side of long lake and

1589
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that's where this uh uh festival takes

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place and before we get back to that

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mark uh and

1592
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and ufo bob who is just

1593
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as about as cinematic as it gets but

1594
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before we get back to ufo bob did you

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have a general interest in ufos or even

1596
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a step past that

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do you think that we are all there is or

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that the the universe is teeming with

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um

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i have an interest in many things life

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walking reading

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writing etc etc i don't i don't really

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think about uh ufos but i will say that

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um

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that of course there's

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millions and millions and millions of

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other life forms out there i mean that's

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scientifically just the way it is it's

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not what i think it's you know it's like

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do i think the sun is you know shining

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out there somewhere well it's not it's

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regardless what i think it if the sun's

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out there regardless of what i think

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there's millions of uh variants of life

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forms out there for sure

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it has to be that way right so you have

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uh an open mind to this and you're drawn

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01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:18,400
to this uh

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gathering for whatever those reasons are

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but you're drawn to it and what were

1621
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your expectations in getting there

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01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:27,280
uh what what did you think you were

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going to experience

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i probably didn't think i probably just

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enjoyed the uh driving up there in the

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beautiful scenery and i'm sure it was

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probably a sunny day it usually is

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at that time of year in the middle of

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summer so i probably wasn't thinking

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about that i was just looking at the

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beautiful grass blue sky the green grass

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um all the sights along the way

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and then when i arrived i began to

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absorb what was going on

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and it was i think it was just it was

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very

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know i live in the city right in the

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middle of the middle of the city and to

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go into the hinterlands where there's

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other people you've never seen before

1641
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:12,400
another place you haven't encountered as

1642
01:07:17,829 --> 01:07:15,359
of yet it's all very wondrous to uh take

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01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:17,839
in for the first time for sure

1644
01:07:22,870 --> 01:07:20,160
and you know everybody's got those

1645
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:22,880
uh preconceived notions about these ufo

1646
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:25,039
conferences right the tinfoil hats and

1647
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:28,559
the crazies walking around and

1648
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:31,920
uh unstable that about sums it up right

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01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:36,960
exactly so is that what you encountered

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yeah yeah that's it

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i encountered a

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heightened

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fun and engagement and enthusiasm and

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yeah

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01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:52,000
you're right there's people walking

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around with tinfoil tinfoil on their

1657
01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:56,640
heads that would be absolutely correct

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01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:58,720
and were you okay

1659
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:00,880
it's so funny to hear you say it like

1660
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:03,440
that were you okay with that though

1661
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,400
in that

1662
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:06,480
with those uh when you get to a

1663
01:08:12,549 --> 01:08:08,480
conference like that you are around

1664
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:12,559
people that uh are okay with no matter

1665
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:14,640
the craziest thing you could say you're

1666
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:17,199
not gonna phase somebody right there's

1667
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:20,560
nothing that you could say to ufo bob

1668
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:23,040
that is going to

1669
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:25,199
surprise him you know what i mean

1670
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:28,400
because everybody is is so open-minded

1671
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:31,279
and accepting because they are there for

1672
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:34,080
very personal reasons that uh

1673
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:38,080
that for some are are pretty strange

1674
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:39,839
and if you're there for very personal

1675
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:41,520
reasons that

1676
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,199
you're probably pretty narrow-minded

1677
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,520
because you have this very specific

1678
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:48,000
vantage point this very uh singular

1679
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:49,920
perspective that you're going to engage

1680
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:52,880
in so those people are not open-minded

1681
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:55,279
uh like that in any way shape or form

1682
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:56,960
whatsoever they have their own

1683
01:09:02,070 --> 01:08:59,759
particular agenda and you

1684
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:02,080
you know and yeah you just become

1685
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:04,000
subservient to that agenda and you're

1686
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:07,040
not there to be a contrarian so

1687
01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:08,960
yeah well that's exactly right

1688
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:10,159
right right

1689
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:11,199
and

1690
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:12,159
the

1691
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:13,279
uh

1692
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:15,520
the conversations usually and i'm

1693
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:18,000
interested about this uh for you uh

1694
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:19,359
going to something like this for the

1695
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:20,480
first time

1696
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:21,199
is

1697
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:22,080
when

1698
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:24,239
somebody comes up to you

1699
01:09:28,390 --> 01:09:27,120
they usually want to talk about

1700
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:28,400
their

1701
01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:30,880
contact experiences and they're going to

1702
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:33,839
ask you about yours right

1703
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:36,480
did you have an experience to share with

1704
01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:38,640
them

1705
01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:42,560
it wasn't about ufos um yeah no i mean

1706
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:45,040
it's like

1707
01:09:49,110 --> 01:09:47,520
you know people they're going to do the

1708
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:49,120
talking and you're going to do the

1709
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:50,560
listening that's that's going to be

1710
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:51,759
basically

1711
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:53,120
that's going to be

1712
01:09:56,950 --> 01:09:55,280
the basic strategy of the day

1713
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:56,960
so and you know i

1714
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:58,960
i know what i know so i don't need to

1715
01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:00,960
hear myself talk i don't know what they

1716
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:03,600
know so i'll listen to them

1717
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:05,520
and what was uh

1718
01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:06,640
there's

1719
01:10:12,630 --> 01:10:08,960
you've been up there many times but

1720
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:12,640
correct uh what was the one experience

1721
01:10:17,430 --> 01:10:15,440
the film is a short film everyone so and

1722
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:17,440
he's you know mark spent a lot of time

1723
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:18,400
up there

1724
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:21,040
um what was something that you can share

1725
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:23,920
with us that even you went okay that's

1726
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:29,270
um i i know i think it actually was like

1727
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:32,000
the first time i was up there

1728
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:34,560
okay something

1729
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:37,280
there was an incident it was it got on

1730
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:39,360
national tv and

1731
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:41,840
something like that about the ufo

1732
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:43,840
sighting it actually made the papers and

1733
01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:45,760
so forth

1734
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:47,199
and

1735
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:50,719
i remember we were also in a caravan of

1736
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:53,760
cars at the end of the

1737
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:56,159
show or end of the night show night

1738
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:58,560
whatever so to speak and

1739
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:00,960
i i don't know how we did it in the dark

1740
01:11:06,709 --> 01:11:03,360
but somebody was like leading this

1741
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:06,719
caravan of cars to track down the ufo

1742
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:08,159
and it was there was something you know

1743
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:09,440
like i said the

1744
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:12,480
national news and all that stuff and

1745
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:14,239
i don't know how we did it i think we

1746
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:15,520
got to some

1747
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:17,760
end of some field or in some field or

1748
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:18,719
something

1749
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:21,440
and found these um

1750
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:24,400
these uh what are those tiny floating

1751
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:26,640
chinese lanterns and something like that

1752
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:28,640
you know it was it was pretty incredible

1753
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:30,960
i don't know how in the dark

1754
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:32,880
driving park they actually found where

1755
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:35,280
these things landed but yeah i i think

1756
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:37,920
we did so yeah that that was a pretty i

1757
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:39,440
think that was the first time i was out

1758
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:41,280
there it was tied at the newspaper

1759
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:44,159
sightings then we find these flying

1760
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:45,840
roman

1761
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:47,679
candle balloons or something like that

1762
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:49,920
it was a pretty incredible way to to

1763
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:51,360
kick that off i think that may have been

1764
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:52,960
the very first time being up there that

1765
01:11:56,790 --> 01:11:54,480
was that was bizarre

1766
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:56,800
tell us about ufo bob

1767
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:57,760
um

1768
01:12:02,709 --> 01:11:59,760
the

1769
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:02,719
yeah just tell us about him he he he's

1770
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:05,280
he's pretty i can't think of another

1771
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:07,280
word except for cinematic

1772
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:12,229
uh

1773
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:14,000
well it's a small area that you're

1774
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:15,920
dealing with the bar and the landing and

1775
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,840
so on and so forth and somebody probably

1776
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:19,440
said hey there's a full bob you should

1777
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:21,520
go interview him i mean you could see

1778
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:24,320
that dynamic that simple dynamic play

1779
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:27,040
out and that's probably how it happened

1780
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:29,600
and you know i asked him then

1781
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:31,679
to be on camera and you know it's a

1782
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:34,560
cantankerous and so you have to you know

1783
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:38,239
go with his flow and yeah he is the

1784
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:41,440
galvanizing force of the ufo dancer he

1785
01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:45,040
is he is the nexus of this nonological

1786
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:48,080
so uh he is that that galvanizing power

1787
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:49,360
that people

1788
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:50,960
um

1789
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:52,640
you know adhere themselves to and i

1790
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:55,120
remember one time uh

1791
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:57,840
a trail of drunkards following him like

1792
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,880
he was spewing the gospel and he's drunk

1793
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:02,880
tripping over themselves trying to keep

1794
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:04,239
up with him and i think he's waving

1795
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:07,040
around the flashlight it was yeah it was

1796
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:09,280
pretty pretty uh fun i would have to say

1797
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,239
that

1798
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:12,719
with ufo bother one of those points for

1799
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:15,920
sure as a filmmaker how cool is it to be

1800
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:18,719
able to get a personality like that in

1801
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:20,960
front of the camera

1802
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:23,600
oh yeah it's pretty cool because you

1803
01:13:28,229 --> 01:13:26,000
know it when you got it and you just

1804
01:13:32,149 --> 01:13:28,239
know that that footage is going to be

1805
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:32,159
gold so it's a great moment when you you

1806
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:33,760
know you've locked into something like

1807
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:34,880
that

1808
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:37,760
and yeah because as a as a filmmaker you

1809
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:40,159
know that's your goal but does it also

1810
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:42,320
take the pressure off right you're not

1811
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:43,760
going to have to push this you're not

1812
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:46,640
going to maybe not even have to direct

1813
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:48,960
right all you have to do

1814
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:51,360
is is make sure you capture it is that

1815
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:54,960
is that where you're coming from

1816
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:57,360
yeah exactly like i say i mean it just

1817
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:01,440
what he has to say just plays out

1818
01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:03,840
oh man we just lost mark

1819
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:06,640
okay wow that was bizarre

1820
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:09,520
let's uh let's get him straight back on

1821
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:12,800
that just went straight click gone

1822
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:16,560
did we lose no we did not okay let's see

1823
01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:19,199
what's happening here that was bizarre

1824
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:21,679
live on the air it just went blank

1825
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:22,960
screen

1826
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:25,440
okay uh let's see here what happened

1827
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:27,120
that was you man

1828
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:28,880
was it for real i don't know how that

1829
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:31,199
happened see that's that maybe

1830
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:33,199
maybe we're talking too much about ufos

1831
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:34,719
man if something's going down that's

1832
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:36,719
what i'm talking about see i told you

1833
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:39,280
the cia man the nsa

1834
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:41,199
well you're right we'll see now you

1835
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:43,679
brought it on man maybe no you made his

1836
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:46,320
film about ufos now they're

1837
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:49,040
right now now they're right there

1838
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:51,280
yeah now they're on to you okay so back

1839
01:14:54,550 --> 01:14:52,000
to

1840
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:54,560
the you know the the coolness of being

1841
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:57,040
able to shoot a personality like ufo bob

1842
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:58,640
the question was

1843
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:01,040
uh for you does it uh does it take the

1844
01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:02,880
pressure off

1845
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:04,719
yeah well there is no pressure because

1846
01:15:08,709 --> 01:15:06,239
i'm not

1847
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:08,719
under the subservience of anybody or

1848
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:10,800
anything to do anything to provide

1849
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:12,320
anything i'm doing this

1850
01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:15,280
dramatically on my own and

1851
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:18,560
you know i just you just

1852
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:20,480
oh no

1853
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:24,719
okay that's bizarre stuff going on let's

1854
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:26,640
see

1855
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:29,280
okay now that's that's never happened

1856
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:31,679
okay hold on for a second here

1857
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:34,080
now that's yeah we're here that's never

1858
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:35,920
happened two times in a row that's

1859
01:15:41,110 --> 01:15:39,280
that's crazy yeah that's cool um

1860
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:41,120
how much footage

1861
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:43,520
uh did you shoot how much is left is

1862
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:47,040
there going to be a dundee part two

1863
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:48,480
yeah you know

1864
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:50,719
that's actually interesting because you

1865
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:52,880
know it's a short film

1866
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:55,360
and ultimately i was thinking about a

1867
01:15:58,229 --> 01:15:56,560
far more

1868
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:58,239
introspective

1869
01:16:03,430 --> 01:16:00,800
piece of work that would go beyond maybe

1870
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:03,440
the parameters of dundee itself and

1871
01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:06,640
offer a broader range of temporal

1872
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:08,880
retrospection you know in in time to

1873
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:11,120
look back at it and how that

1874
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:13,440
what kind of an immersive experience it

1875
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:14,880
was and how that

1876
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:16,640
played out into

1877
01:16:21,430 --> 01:16:17,679
uh

1878
01:16:24,149 --> 01:16:21,440
further life beyond that so as in

1879
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,159
that there is the potentiality of

1880
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:26,719
something like that occurring in in a an

1881
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:28,480
additional film maybe

1882
01:16:32,310 --> 01:16:30,640
i wouldn't discount that

1883
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:32,320
with uh

1884
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:34,400
with all of these conferences and i

1885
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:36,960
attend a lot of them i speak out a lot

1886
01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:37,920
of them

1887
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:40,000
and one of the things that i enjoy most

1888
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:42,880
mark is going out at night uh which you

1889
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:44,080
did too

1890
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:46,159
and with night vision and everybody's

1891
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:48,080
got their video cameras and we sit out

1892
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:50,640
there in chairs and stare at the sky

1893
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:53,679
always something goes down i've i've had

1894
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:55,679
either hundreds of sightings or i've had

1895
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:57,760
ten but certainly i've never had nothing

1896
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:58,800
happen

1897
01:17:01,990 --> 01:17:00,239
uh what

1898
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:02,000
did anything occur when you were out

1899
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:07,990
yeah um again like i say that well

1900
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:11,120
there was the first incident uh

1901
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:12,640
by like i said

1902
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:14,400
nationally reported ufos out there

1903
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:16,400
finding that stuff

1904
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:18,320
now

1905
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:21,280
yeah you do see likes and so on and so

1906
01:17:25,270 --> 01:17:24,080
forth and

1907
01:17:27,189 --> 01:17:25,280
you know

1908
01:17:29,350 --> 01:17:27,199
what what can you say

1909
01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:29,360
i don't mean to be

1910
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:31,840
abstract about it but uh

1911
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:33,679
you know

1912
01:17:38,229 --> 01:17:35,920
some would oh man i saw lights and then

1913
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:38,239
you could respond and say well what do

1914
01:17:42,709 --> 01:17:40,960
you think they were you know so yeah you

1915
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:42,719
many times out there

1916
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:44,560
the lights do

1917
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:46,960
arrive on time around i don't know if

1918
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:49,440
it's 9 45 10 15

1919
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:52,159
something like that so

1920
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:54,480
and how did how did that change you was

1921
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:57,040
it in a was it an epiphany type of

1922
01:18:02,149 --> 01:17:59,840
situation

1923
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:02,159
what seeing roman candles in the air not

1924
01:18:07,510 --> 01:18:04,800
not the roman candles but uh other

1925
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:07,520
things that were not roman candles i

1926
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:11,040
mean high up in the atmosphere

1927
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:13,920
yeah the other things were the

1928
01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:15,920
people getting intoxicated seeing that

1929
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:18,320
they visit alien ships and so forth like

1930
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:21,199
that it seems like uh a lot of them you

1931
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:23,920
know uh would find alliance with alcohol

1932
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:25,760
not all certainly

1933
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:27,600
but uh a lot of there's a lot of

1934
01:18:34,229 --> 01:18:29,920
drinking there i'll put you that way

1935
01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:34,239
at that at the at ufo days uh mostly

1936
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:36,159
that would be correct yeah most of the

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01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:38,320
conferences that i go to

1938
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:40,640
it's the opposite of that

1939
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:42,800
right right like up at east city ranch

1940
01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:45,120
in washington which is one of the

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01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:47,199
craziest places if you're ever going to

1942
01:18:50,790 --> 01:18:48,880
go as a filmmaker and you want to go

1943
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:50,800
shoot some crazy stuff you go up to

1944
01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:54,880
e-city ranch there is no alcohol or any

1945
01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:57,760
drugs allowed of any kind on the ranch

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01:19:01,350 --> 01:19:00,480
so everybody is stone cold sober

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01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:01,360
and

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few times uh about

1949
01:19:13,110 --> 01:19:09,440
uh the party atmosphere that was going

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01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:13,120
on at ufo days um right yeah

1951
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:15,840
if you go to uh something like eseti

1952
01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:17,199
where you're gonna have a couple of

1953
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:19,600
hundred night watching uh people out

1954
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:21,040
there with their gear and everything

1955
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:23,920
staring at them there is no alcohol

1956
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:26,320
right there that doesn't exist and that

1957
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:27,760
was something else i wanted to ask you

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01:19:32,390 --> 01:19:30,400
about really quick you

1959
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:32,400
uh uh

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01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:33,760
you

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01:19:41,669 --> 01:19:38,880
i don't do drugs i don't do i i don't

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drink i i don't do you know i don't do i

1963
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:44,400
don't do why why do i why do you feel

1964
01:19:51,189 --> 01:19:47,520
that you have to say that so often is it

1965
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:51,199
the way people may perform

1966
01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:53,199
actually i don't i think what you're

1967
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:56,239
referring to and it makes me cringe is

1968
01:19:59,910 --> 01:19:58,560
when that was edited

1969
01:20:02,149 --> 01:19:59,920
they

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01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:02,159
brought that into the editing and

1971
01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:04,560
obviously when we go about our

1972
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:06,960
daily business and we encounter people

1973
01:20:10,149 --> 01:20:08,000
and this

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01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:10,159
like when we do when i was doing q and

1975
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:12,960
a's right so one would be

1976
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:16,239
juxtaposed against the other in a sense

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01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:19,440
for effect so i don't

1978
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,560
really say that but when you know if i

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01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:24,480
say hey good morning

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to 10 different people a morning if

1981
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:28,000
somebody edits thousands of those good

1982
01:20:32,630 --> 01:20:30,560
mornings together it's like whoa so it's

1983
01:20:35,750 --> 01:20:32,640
the same thing it's just uh

1984
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:35,760
it's an act of artifice for effect

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01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:37,280
so

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you don't feel that you have to say it

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01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:43,520
it's it's funny because you don't

1988
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:46,080
it's just that this has all been jumbled

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01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:47,360
together and it looks like you're

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01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:49,679
repeating it

1991
01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:51,120
right yeah you know when i thought it

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01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:52,960
made me cringe when i was catching out

1993
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:55,040
that it was it was definitely cringe

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01:21:02,390 --> 01:20:59,199
worthy but again i think that

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01:21:03,189 --> 01:21:02,400
entertainment is an act of naivety on

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01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:03,199
the

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01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:09,120
believe all of this stuff and it's

1998
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:12,000
a lot of people seek entertainment a few

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01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:12,880
uh

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01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:14,960
seek intellectually stimulating things

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01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:16,159
so i mean

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01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:18,080
you know unless you're naive you

2003
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:20,719
understand it's an active montage for a

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01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:22,320
disciple for a

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01:21:28,630 --> 01:21:25,360
simplistic effect you know

2006
01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:28,640
are you um you know people really are

2007
01:21:33,510 --> 01:21:30,880
drawn to

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01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:33,520
uh not only uh your personality and your

2009
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:35,280
filmmaking but

2010
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:37,360
and and your intelligence but you have a

2011
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:41,920
way of engaging that has a a serious

2012
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:44,880
amount of humor attached to it whether

2013
01:21:49,590 --> 01:21:47,520
it's intentional or not

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01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:49,600
it's it's something that's very very

2015
01:21:53,510 --> 01:21:51,040
very cool

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01:21:55,590 --> 01:21:53,520
and your engagement back

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01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:55,600
are you conscious of that

2018
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:57,840
do you do you realize that

2019
01:22:03,590 --> 01:22:01,040
you are a pretty fun and entertaining

2020
01:22:05,669 --> 01:22:03,600
person to be around does that even enter

2021
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:05,679
into your mind

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01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:07,600
well of course it's all premeditated i

2023
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:09,679
mean i'm very cautiously aware of it

2024
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:10,880
it's like a

2025
01:22:15,669 --> 01:22:13,199
show and what it is it's more of a

2026
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:15,679
getting into uh empathetic region

2027
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:18,239
because if you

2028
01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:20,719
become too deep or intellectual or too

2029
01:22:27,990 --> 01:22:23,199
meaningful about something it it's just

2030
01:22:32,629 --> 01:22:28,000
not for everyone so in order to

2031
01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:32,639
smooth things out and to briefly engage

2032
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:35,199
with people for a short period of time

2033
01:22:40,229 --> 01:22:38,080
that all of that premeditated show will

2034
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:40,239
come out a little bit and that just kind

2035
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:42,800
of moves things along so

2036
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:45,360
yeah it's so highly highly aware of it

2037
01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:46,880
while it's going on

2038
01:22:49,590 --> 01:22:48,080
you said to me i'm going to throw you

2039
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:49,600
under the bus a little bit you had said

2040
01:22:52,870 --> 01:22:51,360
to me earlier today i hope you don't

2041
01:22:54,629 --> 01:22:52,880
mind uh

2042
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:54,639
i said you know

2043
01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:56,400
you said okay so how long do you want to

2044
01:22:59,830 --> 01:22:57,600
do this i said we're going to do this

2045
01:23:02,629 --> 01:22:59,840
for two hours and your response was and

2046
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:02,639
it was it was it talk about gold

2047
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:05,679
you go jimmy it's a 17-minute film

2048
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:07,920
how long can we write i was like but

2049
01:23:13,990 --> 01:23:10,080
that's exactly the point

2050
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:14,000
you know and and for you i'd you know i

2051
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:15,840
i want to come back at you one more time

2052
01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:18,080
you have so much to say and we learned

2053
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:19,600
so much from you

2054
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:21,840
and and i hope that you appreciate that

2055
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:24,560
there is so much that we can cover

2056
01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:26,960
and and and we are going to run out of

2057
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:28,960
time tonight but i think that's one of

2058
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:32,320
your your amazing things uh is is your

2059
01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:34,560
intelligence when it comes to

2060
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:36,639
what it takes to make a film

2061
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:39,120
what it takes to be committed to it it's

2062
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:41,280
not something that is easy and i've

2063
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:43,440
dedicated my life to this and you need

2064
01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:44,560
to

2065
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:46,560
share that knowledge with everybody else

2066
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:48,880
and i think we're we're here to to

2067
01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:54,390
yeah well first of all

2068
01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:56,960
this is probably one of the most

2069
01:24:00,950 --> 01:23:58,639
painless

2070
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:00,960
interviews i've ever done i really

2071
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:02,719
appreciate

2072
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:05,920
you i mean it it if if this was you were

2073
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,400
a different personality this would be

2074
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:10,800
a disaster and i couldn't endure it but

2075
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:11,920
you're

2076
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:13,440
you are a

2077
01:24:17,110 --> 01:24:15,840
skilled conversationalist so it's not

2078
01:24:20,149 --> 01:24:17,120
really

2079
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:20,159
me doing the talking it's actually you

2080
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:23,360
having the ability to keep this going on

2081
01:24:28,390 --> 01:24:25,760
in an engaging way

2082
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:28,400
and you uh you said uh it was really

2083
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:30,719
funny i don't know if it was slam fest

2084
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:34,000
or if it was uh found footage but one of

2085
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:36,719
the festivals you had said uh which

2086
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:43,270
colin as in the name of a person yeah

2087
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:45,360
the the the the guy that yeah that would

2088
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:47,520
be that would be down in chicago okay

2089
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:49,840
that was in chicago so you said to colin

2090
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:51,440
you go look man

2091
01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:54,000
or you said to the audience he said i

2092
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:56,560
don't i don't enjoy going out to dinner

2093
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:58,480
and engaging in conversation and you

2094
01:25:02,550 --> 01:25:01,120
turned a colin and said but

2095
01:25:05,669 --> 01:25:02,560
colin we're gonna go have fun tonight

2096
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:05,679
don't worry about it and and and i'm

2097
01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:07,600
gonna throw that back at you if you and

2098
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:10,239
i went out to dinner just like this show

2099
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:13,199
we could sit for a couple of hours and

2100
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:16,560
and have a great conversation

2101
01:25:19,270 --> 01:25:17,679
yeah of course

2102
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:19,280
i guess

2103
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:21,760
just as we are now case in point right

2104
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:23,840
so yeah what i meant what i meant what i

2105
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:26,400
i guess everything needs to be clarified

2106
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:28,719
because things are

2107
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:30,719
brought down to such a reductive level

2108
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:31,520
it

2109
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:34,800
true life is the experience of nuance so

2110
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:36,400
i guess when

2111
01:25:42,149 --> 01:25:39,280
i say that i i love going

2112
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:42,159
out to dinner with intelligent

2113
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:45,440
respectful people i'm i'm seeing just

2114
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:48,000
people who have just bring you

2115
01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:49,760
down and so forth that i wouldn't want

2116
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:53,520
to engage in but uh so yeah i mean yeah

2117
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:54,880
people who just go

2118
01:25:58,229 --> 01:25:56,480
out to eat for the sake of going out to

2119
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:58,239
eat and nothing's happening and that's

2120
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:59,840
pretty horrifying because you're you're

2121
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:01,760
trapped with them for about like an hour

2122
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:03,600
but when it's actually

2123
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,080
uh with engaging people it's going out

2124
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:08,639
to dinner is great so yeah that's

2125
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:11,120
exactly right that's exactly right and

2126
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:13,040
we're going to take a break right here

2127
01:26:18,070 --> 01:26:15,280
and when we come back i want to talk

2128
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:18,080
actually about the festival circuit and

2129
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:21,040
and what is going on uh not only with

2130
01:26:26,229 --> 01:26:23,280
what happens on the circuits but the

2131
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:26,239
reception of uh the dundee project so

2132
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:27,520
we're going to talk about that when we

2133
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:29,840
come back and uh we'll pick up

2134
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:31,360
everything where we are leaving off

2135
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:33,040
right now this is fade to black i'm your

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jimmy church our guest tonight filmmaker

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01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:38,320
screenwriter playwright mark borchardt

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i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

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hi i'm rhys evans you're listening to

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jimmy church this is revolution the

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church our guest tonight mark

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borchardt

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filmmaker screenwriter playwright his

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new film his new project is called the

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dundee project it's about the ufo days

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festival

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in dundee wisconsin tomorrow night is

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fader night it's open lines all night

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long teresa and eris is going to be here

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with divine frequency on the airwaves

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then we open up those phones and start

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the conversation so that is tomorrow

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night and this weekend i'll be over at

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uh coast to coast a.m

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there you go and then i'll see everybody

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on wednesday and we start this thing all

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over again now mark um i want to talk

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about

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01:32:08,310 --> 01:32:05,840
uh the

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01:32:10,709 --> 01:32:08,320
the film festival circuit and what i

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01:32:12,550 --> 01:32:10,719
find uh a little strange which is

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01:32:15,750 --> 01:32:12,560
different than everything else in other

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01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:15,760
words there's not like an art circuit

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01:32:19,910 --> 01:32:17,520
where you're an artist and you have a

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painting and you take it out on the art

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01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:21,920
circuit and then you get up and answer

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01:32:25,590 --> 01:32:24,719
questions about your painting right

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or

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the film circuit that's exactly what

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01:32:37,189 --> 01:32:34,560
goes on and i feel if it was me you're

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01:32:40,070 --> 01:32:37,199
you're completely exposed you know and

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01:32:42,070 --> 01:32:40,080
you've got your your work up there and

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and your heart and your soul and your

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sweat and then you've got to turn around

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and possibly face

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01:32:50,950 --> 01:32:47,679
the critique of it and you've got to

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01:32:53,110 --> 01:32:50,960
answer questions what's that like

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01:32:55,669 --> 01:32:53,120
well i'll tell you and first i i in

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reflecting on a conversation you know uh

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you know when you talk about like being

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doing all the stuff on your own that's

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incredibly not true because i have a

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01:33:06,870 --> 01:33:04,239
wonderful max hey as an assistant editor

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01:33:09,350 --> 01:33:06,880
with the dundee project and andrew swan

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01:33:10,709 --> 01:33:09,360
is the producer and nick coor and joel

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01:33:12,310 --> 01:33:10,719
pickett from

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uh found footage festival they're the

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executive producers right so on the post

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01:33:20,149 --> 01:33:18,000
production side you had uh those four

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01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:20,159
gentlemen really come through and really

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01:33:24,950 --> 01:33:22,560
get the job done

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01:33:26,390 --> 01:33:24,960
what that does i have to i i have to say

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that you know i mean i've got right

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right

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you know my partner lila wilson who's

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who's you know through thick and thin is

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01:33:37,270 --> 01:33:34,639
you know it's always you know a very

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01:33:39,030 --> 01:33:37,280
strong fortress of empowerment so that

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you got to put in those factors

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01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:41,120
definitely and t.w

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hansen for that matter as well you know

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01:33:48,149 --> 01:33:45,600
and tom pankowski these are people

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01:33:49,990 --> 01:33:48,159
behind the scenes that uh you know fill

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01:33:52,390 --> 01:33:50,000
in a lot of voids man and keep pushing

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01:33:55,189 --> 01:33:52,400
this thing uh you know where it needs to

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go yeah and you need that support you

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01:33:58,629 --> 01:33:57,280
you're you need that team and you've got

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to have those

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01:34:03,669 --> 01:34:01,120
those little pieces where you have those

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01:34:06,229 --> 01:34:03,679
experts that know exactly you know what

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01:34:08,950 --> 01:34:06,239
to do to get things done and that's how

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01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:08,960
these projects come to life

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01:34:14,470 --> 01:34:11,920
exactly now as for the festival circuit

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if your film is in a festival it's most

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likely worthy to be there so the

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audience reactions

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is always kind you know and people are

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enthusiastic they want to see if they

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01:34:26,629 --> 01:34:24,320
want to talk to you they want to see

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01:34:29,830 --> 01:34:26,639
your film or that stuff so there's it's

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01:34:31,990 --> 01:34:29,840
i mean you know when your work plays or

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not so it's not like something

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01:34:36,229 --> 01:34:34,159
unexpected is going to happen

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01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:36,239
so you're at a film festival because

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people want to engage with your work so

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it's kind of like you know you're in the

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know at that point

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and how has the reception been for the

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dundee project

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it's been extraordinary people have

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01:34:54,629 --> 01:34:52,159
really dug the film there's a real

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energy while palpable energy while

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watching it and uh they really have an

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enjoyable time

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when

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uh i had mentioned earlier you know here

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in hollywood it seems like if you're a

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screenwriter or you're direct or

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whatever you want something green light

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you know do an alien pick you know

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bring that into your pitch meeting

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and you you've got a pretty good chance

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of getting a project done

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and

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your newest project is about the ufo

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days festival

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uh do you think that that uh

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had

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01:35:31,990 --> 01:35:30,000
uh it has that appeal for the audience

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01:35:34,149 --> 01:35:32,000
you know that they

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are attached to it and they understand

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01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:36,080
it and this is something that

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they can get into

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01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:40,719
yeah absolutely i think there's again

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like a

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foreshadowing of good times to come

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01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:47,360
when you do talk about ufos or aliens

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01:35:51,030 --> 01:35:49,199
there are these kind of like built-in

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expectations that

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reasonably are fulfilled by this film

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01:35:57,990 --> 01:35:56,320
does that make you are you suddenly a

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01:35:59,189 --> 01:35:58,000
ufo expert

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01:36:02,070 --> 01:35:59,199
you know what i mean

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01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:02,080
are they hitting you with ufo questions

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01:36:06,550 --> 01:36:04,560
if they're are they expecting you

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01:36:08,790 --> 01:36:06,560
right exactly see

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01:36:13,750 --> 01:36:08,800
right so are they expecting that from

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01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:14,790
uh

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01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:17,360
not not in particular you know

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01:36:21,189 --> 01:36:19,760
if they want to think that more power to

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01:36:23,750 --> 01:36:21,199
them i'm only going to answer what i'm

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01:36:25,350 --> 01:36:23,760
going to answer so it means zero to me

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01:36:30,709 --> 01:36:25,360
you know

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01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:30,719
like it is and you get your answer

2357
01:36:35,669 --> 01:36:32,880
yeah yeah no i totally get that i guess

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01:36:37,750 --> 01:36:35,679
what i am suggesting here is if you come

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out with a film like this

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01:36:42,870 --> 01:36:40,400
now you are going to get those questions

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from people that have a ufo background

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01:36:46,390 --> 01:36:44,400
or an interest in it

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01:36:48,470 --> 01:36:46,400
and they are assuming that you're going

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01:36:50,629 --> 01:36:48,480
to know what they're talking about you

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01:36:53,030 --> 01:36:50,639
know what i mean

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01:36:54,550 --> 01:36:53,040
well i mean it's not really

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01:36:56,790 --> 01:36:54,560
hard i mean i mean

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01:36:58,629 --> 01:36:56,800
what what would they know that it's so

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01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:58,639
specific that it's that it's

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01:37:02,390 --> 01:37:00,960
mind-blowing and so forth i mean you

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01:37:04,470 --> 01:37:02,400
you know they

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01:37:06,629 --> 01:37:04,480
may know this i mean most people don't i

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01:37:08,870 --> 01:37:06,639
i don't think i've ever encountered

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01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:08,880
someone who was head over heels of on

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01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:11,600
the subject and tried to beleaguer me

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01:37:16,310 --> 01:37:14,080
with all of this knowledge and and test

2377
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:16,320
mine you know i'll engage you know with

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01:37:21,109 --> 01:37:17,520
whoever

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01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:21,119
our reform is necessary so i mean it

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01:37:25,510 --> 01:37:23,520
doesn't put me off or anything in any

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01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:25,520
way shape or form it's all in

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01:37:28,229 --> 01:37:27,360
good fun as long as nobody puts out an

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01:37:30,550 --> 01:37:28,239
eye

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01:37:31,669 --> 01:37:30,560
right right well i'll give you an

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01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:31,679
example

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01:37:37,750 --> 01:37:32,880
um

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01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:40,709
uh uh not to my knowledge i mean yeah i

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01:37:45,590 --> 01:37:42,880
understand that there

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01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:45,600
initially there was talk of a weather it

2390
01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:46,960
was reported by the government that a

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01:37:51,510 --> 01:37:49,040
weather balloon

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01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:51,520
went down and then i mean i'm reading

2393
01:37:56,470 --> 01:37:54,800
andy jacobson's theory of 51 or uh

2394
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:56,480
yeah i mean that would probably be the

2395
01:38:00,870 --> 01:37:59,040
bible on the subject yeah great book

2396
01:38:02,870 --> 01:38:00,880
great book she's very smart she's been

2397
01:38:04,390 --> 01:38:02,880
on the show a few times uh she's

2398
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:04,400
absolutely amazing you're in the right

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01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:05,760
direction there

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01:38:10,310 --> 01:38:09,119
uh right andy jacobson is uh very well

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01:38:11,189 --> 01:38:10,320
researched

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01:38:11,910 --> 01:38:11,199
um

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01:38:16,709 --> 01:38:11,920
and

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01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:16,719
kind of where i'm going

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01:38:21,669 --> 01:38:18,000
is that

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01:38:23,510 --> 01:38:21,679
there is a word called disclosure we all

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01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:23,520
know the word and we all know what the

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01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:26,639
definition is but it means

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01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:28,560
different things to different people but

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01:38:34,070 --> 01:38:30,880
right now in the ufo community

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01:38:37,910 --> 01:38:34,080
specifically mark there has been a lot

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01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:37,920
of craziness when it comes to

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01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:40,480
the possibility of

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01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:42,880
disclosure you know the moment where the

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01:38:47,270 --> 01:38:44,639
president like independence day or

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01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:47,280
whatever steps up to the podium on live

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01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:50,560
television and says we we are not alone

2418
01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:51,360
right

2419
01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:54,560
okay the questions have been answered

2420
01:38:57,510 --> 01:38:55,360
well

2421
01:39:01,350 --> 01:38:57,520
that's disclosure to a lot of people in

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01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:01,360
the ufo community and and this year well

2423
01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:04,080
it started in december of last year

2424
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:06,320
lots of coverage with the new york times

2425
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:09,520
and cnn and the pentagon and

2426
01:39:15,030 --> 01:39:12,400
and their secret ufo program and these

2427
01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:15,040
videos that have been released and it

2428
01:39:20,470 --> 01:39:17,920
feels like there's something going on

2429
01:39:22,070 --> 01:39:20,480
like there could be an announcement

2430
01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:22,080
for you

2431
01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:24,480
outside of the ufo community are you

2432
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:26,880
aware of this are you aware of the

2433
01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:29,679
disclosure movement

2434
01:39:34,629 --> 01:39:32,000
well i am now i mean i'm sure that

2435
01:39:37,669 --> 01:39:34,639
something that's been you know simmering

2436
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:37,679
and may come to a reasonable boil and

2437
01:39:42,070 --> 01:39:40,400
then may simmer again and so on and so

2438
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:42,080
forth so i mean i think

2439
01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:44,400
these questions kind like there's 8

2440
01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:46,960
billion of us and we kind of want to ask

2441
01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:48,880
the next person you know and kind of

2442
01:39:53,030 --> 01:39:51,280
find out if we can get them on their

2443
01:39:55,830 --> 01:39:53,040
frequency and so forth and i think

2444
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:55,840
that's why these questions are asked

2445
01:39:59,910 --> 01:39:56,880
do you

2446
01:40:01,590 --> 01:39:59,920
out

2447
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:01,600
right where the no

2448
01:40:07,030 --> 01:40:04,080
you know if if uh

2449
01:40:10,550 --> 01:40:07,040
if it happened some crazy event right

2450
01:40:12,390 --> 01:40:10,560
some crazy independence day yeah

2451
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:12,400
uh

2452
01:40:16,950 --> 01:40:14,400
i mean what being being attacked by

2453
01:40:19,030 --> 01:40:16,960
flying saucers no no no well that would

2454
01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:19,040
freak some people out that would yeah

2455
01:40:22,550 --> 01:40:20,639
that would yeah that would there there

2456
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:22,560
would be there you'd have your free call

2457
01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:25,440
you would never freak out but if if

2458
01:40:30,470 --> 01:40:28,239
if uh what is the freeway that goes

2459
01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:30,480
between chicago and milwaukee what is

2460
01:40:36,550 --> 01:40:32,480
that 95

2461
01:40:40,870 --> 01:40:36,560
what yeah like it's 94. 94. okay so yeah

2462
01:40:42,550 --> 01:40:40,880
well 43.94 however it's termed 41 43 94.

2463
01:40:43,669 --> 01:40:42,560
okay so 94

2464
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:43,679
a big

2465
01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:45,840
ship comes and lands on the 94 and

2466
01:40:51,109 --> 01:40:48,400
blocks traffic in both directions right

2467
01:40:53,669 --> 01:40:51,119
and it's just sitting there

2468
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:53,679
do the people of milwaukee lose their

2469
01:40:56,790 --> 01:40:54,880
minds

2470
01:40:58,870 --> 01:40:56,800
or do they just go you know what move

2471
01:41:01,830 --> 01:40:58,880
that move that thing off the freeway

2472
01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:01,840
i've got to get to work

2473
01:41:04,390 --> 01:41:02,639
well

2474
01:41:05,350 --> 01:41:04,400
the classic answer is a little bit of

2475
01:41:07,590 --> 01:41:05,360
both

2476
01:41:08,550 --> 01:41:07,600
but yeah i'm sure that their worlds

2477
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:08,560
would be

2478
01:41:12,470 --> 01:41:11,040
rocked to a great extent because this is

2479
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:12,480
something that

2480
01:41:16,950 --> 01:41:14,560
people have considered since the first

2481
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:16,960
ebb and flow of their own consciousness

2482
01:41:20,310 --> 01:41:18,960
in life you know that

2483
01:41:22,550 --> 01:41:20,320
you know this is they're introduced to

2484
01:41:24,470 --> 01:41:22,560
ideas such as that but there are other

2485
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:24,480
uh tangible life forms other than

2486
01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:26,560
themselves and if confronted with that

2487
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:27,840
finally

2488
01:41:31,830 --> 01:41:29,760
empirically you know hands on they'd be

2489
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:31,840
like wow yeah this is crazy man this is

2490
01:41:36,390 --> 01:41:33,760
revolutionary

2491
01:41:38,310 --> 01:41:36,400
and what about religion

2492
01:41:40,709 --> 01:41:38,320
does that come in a place what about it

2493
01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:40,719
does religion freak out too as well or

2494
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:41,840
do they

2495
01:41:44,950 --> 01:41:43,760
uh you know does this

2496
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:44,960
they always have an answer for

2497
01:41:49,189 --> 01:41:47,280
everything see the thing of this is that

2498
01:41:50,470 --> 01:41:49,199
you got to stick to your own belief that

2499
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:50,480
they'll don't they'll come up with an

2500
01:41:55,830 --> 01:41:52,400
answer for anything so that their

2501
01:41:57,270 --> 01:41:55,840
response would be immaterial

2502
01:41:59,830 --> 01:41:57,280
in that

2503
01:42:02,310 --> 01:41:59,840
i'm curious about that

2504
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:02,320
whatever their response would be

2505
01:42:08,470 --> 01:42:05,280
uh what do you think it a an immaterial

2506
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:08,480
response what do you think it would be

2507
01:42:13,669 --> 01:42:11,760
well again anything uh well everyone

2508
01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:13,679
would have a different reaction they

2509
01:42:17,430 --> 01:42:15,520
they would incorporate it such as i told

2510
01:42:19,270 --> 01:42:17,440
you so this is what we said all along

2511
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:19,280
and it's like paw

2512
01:42:23,189 --> 01:42:21,360
you know so it'd be like that's what it

2513
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:23,199
would be like you know it's like i said

2514
01:42:28,629 --> 01:42:25,760
that their their reaction is highly

2515
01:42:31,030 --> 01:42:28,639
immaterial in the in the real world so

2516
01:42:33,270 --> 01:42:31,040
the though they'd be saying we told you

2517
01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:33,280
all along and you'd be like man you

2518
01:42:38,870 --> 01:42:35,920
never told us nothing but you know

2519
01:42:39,990 --> 01:42:38,880
it's so yeah if you never buy into

2520
01:42:41,189 --> 01:42:40,000
something you're never going to get

2521
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:41,199
burned you know what i'm saying you

2522
01:42:45,510 --> 01:42:43,440
always stay apart from everything except

2523
01:42:48,070 --> 01:42:45,520
your own life and your own convictions

2524
01:42:50,629 --> 01:42:48,080
and then you're gonna do a-okay

2525
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:50,639
that's that's a great point and although

2526
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:53,360
i don't do politics on this show right i

2527
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:55,280
just don't do it i do the conspiracy of

2528
01:42:59,109 --> 01:42:57,520
politics every day but politics in

2529
01:43:03,189 --> 01:42:59,119
general i don't do

2530
01:43:06,790 --> 01:43:03,199
but earlier this year our president uh

2531
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:06,800
uh announced a space force

2532
01:43:13,430 --> 01:43:09,600
and this space force made

2533
01:43:14,709 --> 01:43:13,440
the the headlines on on all of uh the

2534
01:43:16,070 --> 01:43:14,719
networks

2535
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:16,080
and

2536
01:43:21,669 --> 01:43:18,239
that was an interesting announcement

2537
01:43:23,350 --> 01:43:21,679
what would we need a space force for

2538
01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:23,360
i'm going to throw this at you mark did

2539
01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:26,639
you hear about that and if you did what

2540
01:43:32,470 --> 01:43:29,760
was your reaction what would we need a

2541
01:43:34,950 --> 01:43:32,480
space force for

2542
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:34,960
i did hear about it and my reaction was

2543
01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:36,880
that it makes sense because it's not

2544
01:43:41,910 --> 01:43:38,480
about

2545
01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:41,920
monitoring

2546
01:43:46,229 --> 01:43:44,320
the area that we occupied such as where

2547
01:43:48,229 --> 01:43:46,239
our satellite systems are because if the

2548
01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:48,239
uh another country knocks out our

2549
01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:50,000
communication that wouldn't be a good

2550
01:43:54,310 --> 01:43:50,800
thing

2551
01:43:56,310 --> 01:43:54,320
so in realistic terms the space force is

2552
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:56,320
just about getting ready to be necessary

2553
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:59,280
to uh protect our orbiting communication

2554
01:44:01,990 --> 01:44:00,800
satellites

2555
01:44:04,790 --> 01:44:02,000
and so

2556
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:04,800
you're suggesting that aliens didn't you

2557
01:44:09,109 --> 01:44:07,440
didn't think necessarily the alien

2558
01:44:12,550 --> 01:44:09,119
connection first

2559
01:44:15,910 --> 01:44:12,560
but this was in in defense of our own uh

2560
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:17,669
right i don't think

2561
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:20,320
i don't understand how space force and

2562
01:44:25,109 --> 01:44:23,920
aliens how you would connect the 2i we

2563
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:25,119
we have

2564
01:44:29,590 --> 01:44:26,320
these

2565
01:44:32,229 --> 01:44:29,600
myriad amounts of satellites uh in the

2566
01:44:34,470 --> 01:44:32,239
in our orbit that need to be uh

2567
01:44:37,270 --> 01:44:34,480
the essential ones need to be protected

2568
01:44:40,229 --> 01:44:37,280
so then you would need a space force up

2569
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:40,239
there to do it i don't see how uh aliens

2570
01:44:45,189 --> 01:44:42,719
came into that conversation

2571
01:44:46,709 --> 01:44:45,199
yeah and uh the i

2572
01:44:49,030 --> 01:44:46,719
you know what i did

2573
01:44:50,310 --> 01:44:49,040
and it's not that i'm a

2574
01:44:53,669 --> 01:44:50,320
you know a

2575
01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:53,679
ufo radio host because i am but when i

2576
01:44:57,270 --> 01:44:54,800
heard that

2577
01:44:58,310 --> 01:44:57,280
the first thing i thought about

2578
01:45:00,790 --> 01:44:58,320
is

2579
01:45:02,870 --> 01:45:00,800
what would you it reminded me of ronald

2580
01:45:04,709 --> 01:45:02,880
reagan's famous speeches that he did at

2581
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:04,719
the united nations right uh you know

2582
01:45:08,709 --> 01:45:05,760
about

2583
01:45:10,629 --> 01:45:08,719
uh being attacked by e.t and we would

2584
01:45:13,030 --> 01:45:10,639
unite we would forget all of our

2585
01:45:15,510 --> 01:45:13,040
differences here on earth and we would

2586
01:45:16,870 --> 01:45:15,520
get together and and we would be

2587
01:45:19,750 --> 01:45:16,880
earthlings

2588
01:45:22,149 --> 01:45:19,760
right for a few minutes right exactly

2589
01:45:23,030 --> 01:45:22,159
we would forget about those things and

2590
01:45:25,189 --> 01:45:23,040
so

2591
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:25,199
when this announcement for the space

2592
01:45:27,830 --> 01:45:26,320
force

2593
01:45:28,629 --> 01:45:27,840
came

2594
01:45:31,669 --> 01:45:28,639
i

2595
01:45:34,149 --> 01:45:31,679
reason why

2596
01:45:36,470 --> 01:45:34,159
is because if we need defense

2597
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:36,480
defensive measures in place for our

2598
01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:37,840
satellites

2599
01:45:42,870 --> 01:45:40,480
i'm assuming they're already there

2600
01:45:44,470 --> 01:45:42,880
i'm assuming we already have that space

2601
01:45:47,510 --> 01:45:44,480
force and if we don't what are we

2602
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:47,520
spending our money on right that's so i

2603
01:45:52,470 --> 01:45:49,600
went the other way i went i went

2604
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:52,480
straight alien

2605
01:45:57,510 --> 01:45:54,639
yeah more power to you for sure

2606
01:45:59,189 --> 01:45:57,520
definitely i mean you know whatever

2607
01:46:01,430 --> 01:45:59,199
whatever it is that excites your

2608
01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:01,440
sensibility and and invigorates your

2609
01:46:06,629 --> 01:46:04,080
spirit more power to you

2610
01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:06,639
now i wanted to get back uh to the movie

2611
01:46:11,669 --> 01:46:10,800
there was a a scene in the movie that

2612
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:11,679
uh

2613
01:46:16,310 --> 01:46:14,400
nailed me and the way that you handled

2614
01:46:18,149 --> 01:46:16,320
it was spot on

2615
01:46:20,950 --> 01:46:18,159
and it was the scene where you're

2616
01:46:23,590 --> 01:46:20,960
looking at the photographs

2617
01:46:25,109 --> 01:46:23,600
and you went aha

2618
01:46:27,750 --> 01:46:25,119
okay

2619
01:46:29,510 --> 01:46:27,760
tell the audience about that scene and

2620
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:29,520
what you looked at in this photograph

2621
01:46:32,149 --> 01:46:31,199
we'll talk about what happened after

2622
01:46:34,470 --> 01:46:32,159
that

2623
01:46:36,229 --> 01:46:34,480
but you're looking at these photographs

2624
01:46:38,390 --> 01:46:36,239
and you weren't

2625
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:38,400
necessarily buying what he was selling

2626
01:46:43,189 --> 01:46:41,600
were you right no it's hilarious because

2627
01:46:44,870 --> 01:46:43,199
in the photograph what you're referring

2628
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:44,880
to i think there's uh

2629
01:46:50,629 --> 01:46:48,000
in the sky there's some um ufos

2630
01:46:53,030 --> 01:46:50,639
and you can you look you can see

2631
01:46:55,590 --> 01:46:53,040
it's kind of like these

2632
01:46:58,629 --> 01:46:55,600
fuzzy or hazy squares or whatever around

2633
01:47:01,109 --> 01:46:58,639
the ufos as if that was it was a

2634
01:47:03,910 --> 01:47:01,119
manipulated uh photographs very

2635
01:47:05,990 --> 01:47:03,920
obviously so that's what it was a cut

2636
01:47:08,629 --> 01:47:06,000
and paste

2637
01:47:11,030 --> 01:47:08,639
to a degree yeah however it was

2638
01:47:11,830 --> 01:47:11,040
digitally or physically done yeah for

2639
01:47:14,070 --> 01:47:11,840
sure

2640
01:47:15,350 --> 01:47:14,080
and it was pretty obvious i'll tell you

2641
01:47:16,950 --> 01:47:15,360
what man if i was trying to prove a

2642
01:47:19,270 --> 01:47:16,960
point i wouldn't be waving those photos

2643
01:47:22,229 --> 01:47:19,280
around right it's gonna be laughing

2644
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:22,239
and your reaction see this is this is

2645
01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:24,000
this is what was so cool about that

2646
01:47:29,750 --> 01:47:26,480
scene you took one look at it and you

2647
01:47:31,910 --> 01:47:29,760
were like now wait a minute here

2648
01:47:34,629 --> 01:47:31,920
what do you think about that

2649
01:47:38,149 --> 01:47:34,639
you know and and you went straight there

2650
01:47:40,310 --> 01:47:38,159
uh that was a pretty bold move

2651
01:47:41,990 --> 01:47:40,320
uh when you're sitting at a at a ufo

2652
01:47:44,229 --> 01:47:42,000
conference right and

2653
01:47:45,990 --> 01:47:44,239
and he's handing you these photographs

2654
01:47:49,350 --> 01:47:46,000
and then you suddenly call them out was

2655
01:47:51,990 --> 01:47:49,360
that an uncomfortable moment

2656
01:47:54,790 --> 01:47:52,000
not for me it was funny

2657
01:47:56,950 --> 01:47:54,800
it was it was great actually

2658
01:47:58,950 --> 01:47:56,960
and then what happened what happened

2659
01:48:00,629 --> 01:47:58,960
next

2660
01:48:03,510 --> 01:48:00,639
i don't know i don't have a good memory

2661
01:48:05,189 --> 01:48:03,520
you tell me okay i love it when you ask

2662
01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:05,199
me the questions that's cool you know

2663
01:48:09,750 --> 01:48:07,440
what in the next break

2664
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:09,760
of radio hoster radio host i'm going to

2665
01:48:14,390 --> 01:48:12,560
let you ask me questions

2666
01:48:16,390 --> 01:48:14,400
we're going to turn this thing around

2667
01:48:17,590 --> 01:48:16,400
is is you

2668
01:48:20,709 --> 01:48:17,600
said

2669
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:20,719
what is this square area

2670
01:48:25,270 --> 01:48:22,560
around the photograph

2671
01:48:26,390 --> 01:48:25,280
and he said well look at it and you said

2672
01:48:27,910 --> 01:48:26,400
i did

2673
01:48:29,590 --> 01:48:27,920
and then he said well then look at this

2674
01:48:31,590 --> 01:48:29,600
other one and your response was i don't

2675
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:31,600
want to look at another photograph i'm

2676
01:48:35,669 --> 01:48:33,840
talking about this one right here

2677
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:35,679
and you said

2678
01:48:43,109 --> 01:48:36,480
what

2679
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:43,119
square area now this was with ufo bob

2680
01:48:46,629 --> 01:48:43,920
now

2681
01:48:47,669 --> 01:48:46,639
do you think ufo bob you pointed it out

2682
01:48:50,390 --> 01:48:47,679
to him

2683
01:48:52,629 --> 01:48:50,400
was he in denial do you think about what

2684
01:48:55,510 --> 01:48:52,639
you were showing him

2685
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:55,520
or do you think that he knew

2686
01:49:05,109 --> 01:49:02,950
i i i think he believed the photograph i

2687
01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:05,119
i think that he was into it

2688
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:07,360
that's that's what i felt i felt that he

2689
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:10,320
was he actually believed that

2690
01:49:15,270 --> 01:49:12,480
that photograph was real yes that's what

2691
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:15,280
i believe now describe because you don't

2692
01:49:19,109 --> 01:49:17,760
show the the close-up of the photograph

2693
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:19,119
in the film

2694
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:21,280
um and so it looked like there was a

2695
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:23,280
landscape and you could see some blue

2696
01:49:26,790 --> 01:49:24,719
sky there

2697
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:26,800
what was it was it some

2698
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:30,080
1950s flying saucer in there i mean what

2699
01:49:33,910 --> 01:49:32,800
was it what was in the picture

2700
01:49:35,510 --> 01:49:33,920
yeah i think it was like our

2701
01:49:38,149 --> 01:49:35,520
conventional take on what a flying

2702
01:49:40,149 --> 01:49:38,159
saucer would look like i mean i have no

2703
01:49:41,990 --> 01:49:40,159
memory of that at this point but as far

2704
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:42,000
as i remember it was kind of like a

2705
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:44,480
classic interpretation of a flying

2706
01:49:48,430 --> 01:49:46,080
saucer in a very

2707
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:48,440
fuzzy sort of way indistinguishable

2708
01:49:53,109 --> 01:49:51,360
indistinguishable sort of way yeah and

2709
01:49:56,229 --> 01:49:53,119
what do you and the reason why i'm

2710
01:49:57,669 --> 01:49:56,239
bringing this up mark is because today

2711
01:49:59,590 --> 01:49:57,679
and i know you don't spend a whole lot

2712
01:50:01,510 --> 01:49:59,600
of time on the internet and and surfing

2713
01:50:02,870 --> 01:50:01,520
for this kind of stuff but today you're

2714
01:50:06,070 --> 01:50:02,880
a filmmaker

2715
01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:06,080
you know how easy it is uh with computer

2716
01:50:11,030 --> 01:50:08,320
graphics and motion

2717
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:11,040
how easy it is to manipulate something

2718
01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:13,440
and and add it to

2719
01:50:18,390 --> 01:50:16,320
uh a sequence it's it's it's very easy

2720
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:18,400
to do and so today

2721
01:50:24,149 --> 01:50:20,080
there is a lot

2722
01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:24,159
of fake ufo footage out there it is all

2723
01:50:27,990 --> 01:50:25,840
over the internet

2724
01:50:30,629 --> 01:50:28,000
uh woody

2725
01:50:31,669 --> 01:50:30,639
and i know that you don't see it uh uh

2726
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:31,679
enough

2727
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:33,760
but what do you think that does for

2728
01:50:38,870 --> 01:50:35,360
society when

2729
01:50:40,149 --> 01:50:38,880
so many people just like ufo bob

2730
01:50:43,189 --> 01:50:40,159
is is

2731
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:43,199
seemingly okay with it right and they

2732
01:50:45,910 --> 01:50:44,800
they will

2733
01:50:47,910 --> 01:50:45,920
uh

2734
01:50:50,149 --> 01:50:47,920
they'll look at it and they probably

2735
01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:50,159
know it's not real but

2736
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:52,480
they are going to accept it as real

2737
01:50:57,669 --> 01:50:54,719
there are there are videos out there on

2738
01:51:00,550 --> 01:50:57,679
youtube that have a million views right

2739
01:51:03,430 --> 01:51:00,560
a million i mean 500 000 views and i

2740
01:51:05,669 --> 01:51:03,440
look at the video and i go well

2741
01:51:08,470 --> 01:51:05,679
that's the fakiest fake thing i've ever

2742
01:51:11,189 --> 01:51:08,480
seen but you look at the the comments

2743
01:51:13,590 --> 01:51:11,199
ufos are here we are not alone this is

2744
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:13,600
amazing i can't believe i'm watching

2745
01:51:18,470 --> 01:51:16,400
this and i'm just thinking to myself

2746
01:51:21,830 --> 01:51:18,480
everybody can't be that gullible what do

2747
01:51:24,870 --> 01:51:21,840
you think is going on

2748
01:51:27,350 --> 01:51:24,880
well i think that there's just a certain

2749
01:51:29,910 --> 01:51:27,360
curiosity whether

2750
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:29,920
people are just curious it incites their

2751
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:32,639
curiosity and that's simply what's going

2752
01:51:37,430 --> 01:51:35,520
on whether you know they i think they

2753
01:51:40,229 --> 01:51:37,440
want to test their own sensibilities to

2754
01:51:42,709 --> 01:51:40,239
see themselves as this fake could this

2755
01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:42,719
possibly be real you know there's that

2756
01:51:46,709 --> 01:51:44,080
particular

2757
01:51:49,510 --> 01:51:46,719
excitement and then it's i think it's

2758
01:51:52,390 --> 01:51:49,520
just a matter of curiosity and testing

2759
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:52,400
their sensibilities at that point

2760
01:51:59,030 --> 01:51:56,000
when uh when you go back and look

2761
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:59,040
at the volume

2762
01:52:03,669 --> 01:52:01,280
of ufo photographs that have been taken

2763
01:52:06,950 --> 01:52:03,679
over the years you know 1940s 1950s

2764
01:52:08,950 --> 01:52:06,960
1960s 70s you know to this day but the

2765
01:52:10,149 --> 01:52:08,960
original stuff on film with the film

2766
01:52:12,470 --> 01:52:10,159
camera

2767
01:52:14,709 --> 01:52:12,480
lots of stuff out there there's lots

2768
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:14,719
there's just books and volumes of it out

2769
01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:17,280
there and and and and film footage too

2770
01:52:21,430 --> 01:52:19,119
as well oh i want to talk to you the

2771
01:52:23,830 --> 01:52:21,440
difference between film and and movie

2772
01:52:25,750 --> 01:52:23,840
we're going to do that in a second

2773
01:52:28,229 --> 01:52:25,760
but there's a lot of film out there and

2774
01:52:30,870 --> 01:52:28,239
that i appreciate the most

2775
01:52:34,950 --> 01:52:30,880
today we don't have

2776
01:52:38,870 --> 01:52:34,960
the volume of photographs that we had

2777
01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:38,880
from the 40s 50s 60s and 70s

2778
01:52:42,550 --> 01:52:40,560
why do you think that is do you think

2779
01:52:45,510 --> 01:52:42,560
that it's because we're not being

2780
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:45,520
visited as much anymore or that it's a

2781
01:52:49,910 --> 01:52:47,520
different kind of craft or that

2782
01:52:52,390 --> 01:52:49,920
everything that was taken in the 40s 50s

2783
01:52:55,669 --> 01:52:52,400
and 60s were hubcaps that were thrown in

2784
01:52:57,669 --> 01:52:55,679
the air and frisbees

2785
01:52:59,589 --> 01:52:57,679
what do you think is going on

2786
01:53:00,950 --> 01:52:59,599
okay are you saying there's

2787
01:53:02,070 --> 01:53:00,960
are you saying there's more or less

2788
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:02,080
footage

2789
01:53:05,830 --> 01:53:03,599
now than before

2790
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:05,840
well

2791
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:07,840
the the photographs that were taken in

2792
01:53:11,910 --> 01:53:10,480
the 40s 50 60 you know flying saucers

2793
01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:11,920
you brought it up you know you said it

2794
01:53:17,030 --> 01:53:14,320
right the classic flying saucer

2795
01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:17,040
we don't have that today

2796
01:53:21,430 --> 01:53:19,840
right i don't see pictures of flying

2797
01:53:24,149 --> 01:53:21,440
saucers

2798
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:24,159
you know i'll see plasma or i'll see a

2799
01:53:30,070 --> 01:53:26,719
triangle craft but i don't see the

2800
01:53:32,229 --> 01:53:30,080
flying saucers with the dome on the top

2801
01:53:33,669 --> 01:53:32,239
right right and and and and i think

2802
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:33,679
that's very

2803
01:53:38,390 --> 01:53:36,000
very informative you see

2804
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:38,400
our narrative has changed it's just like

2805
01:53:43,910 --> 01:53:42,080
bell bottoms the flares the boot cut the

2806
01:53:46,790 --> 01:53:43,920
straight leg

2807
01:53:49,589 --> 01:53:46,800
that happened within maybe 15 years or

2808
01:53:51,750 --> 01:53:49,599
so as our fashions change

2809
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:51,760
and our

2810
01:53:57,669 --> 01:53:54,560
the way that we want to

2811
01:53:59,990 --> 01:53:57,679
show ufos has changed in the 50s it was

2812
01:54:02,870 --> 01:54:00,000
flying discs and so forth and

2813
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:02,880
that ended lasted into into the 70s then

2814
01:54:06,629 --> 01:54:05,520
the narrative had to shift and we

2815
01:54:10,229 --> 01:54:06,639
created

2816
01:54:12,470 --> 01:54:10,239
new ideas of what ufos would look like

2817
01:54:13,350 --> 01:54:12,480
it's not going to work anymore

2818
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:13,360
to

2819
01:54:19,189 --> 01:54:16,320
show flying saucers because we've

2820
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:19,199
grown tired of that near now we

2821
01:54:23,589 --> 01:54:21,360
have to form

2822
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:23,599
new crafts that look different

2823
01:54:28,870 --> 01:54:26,000
so that's why you've seen that ship

2824
01:54:29,830 --> 01:54:28,880
because people got tired of the

2825
01:54:33,350 --> 01:54:29,840
of the

2826
01:54:35,109 --> 01:54:33,360
50s style and and now they created

2827
01:54:37,189 --> 01:54:35,119
different

2828
01:54:39,830 --> 01:54:37,199
vehicles and so forth for these aliens

2829
01:54:42,390 --> 01:54:39,840
to uh maneuver about him

2830
01:54:44,629 --> 01:54:42,400
simple as that you think so so it's pop

2831
01:54:47,189 --> 01:54:44,639
culture

2832
01:54:48,070 --> 01:54:47,199
it is that's that's all it is it's just

2833
01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:48,080
like

2834
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:51,040
you know fins on cars in the 50s uh it

2835
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:53,440
uh they gradually disappeared

2836
01:54:56,870 --> 01:54:55,920
in the 60s and the narrative shifted and

2837
01:54:59,430 --> 01:54:56,880
then the

2838
01:55:02,070 --> 01:54:59,440
cars in the 70s got jacked up and back

2839
01:55:05,510 --> 01:55:02,080
and you know it just did same with the

2840
01:55:07,109 --> 01:55:05,520
way that we want to perceive our ufos we

2841
01:55:09,109 --> 01:55:07,119
we need that ship

2842
01:55:10,790 --> 01:55:09,119
so it's corny now to see those gifts and

2843
01:55:12,390 --> 01:55:10,800
we're not going to see those anymore

2844
01:55:14,629 --> 01:55:12,400
what were they doing

2845
01:55:16,950 --> 01:55:14,639
we need something else now yeah yeah

2846
01:55:18,629 --> 01:55:16,960
yeah i hear you on that and when you

2847
01:55:21,030 --> 01:55:18,639
were doing the interviews we got about

2848
01:55:22,870 --> 01:55:21,040
three minutes uh for this uh when you

2849
01:55:25,430 --> 01:55:22,880
were doing the interviews for the dundee

2850
01:55:27,669 --> 01:55:25,440
project and you're setting up and you're

2851
01:55:29,830 --> 01:55:27,679
asking the questions and you're you know

2852
01:55:32,709 --> 01:55:29,840
you're you're doing your interviews

2853
01:55:34,149 --> 01:55:32,719
uh what kind of craft were they seeing

2854
01:55:36,070 --> 01:55:34,159
what what was it that they were

2855
01:55:38,310 --> 01:55:36,080
describing

2856
01:55:40,149 --> 01:55:38,320
well these were these were larger crafts

2857
01:55:42,550 --> 01:55:40,159
these are actually

2858
01:55:46,070 --> 01:55:42,560
habitable crafts i one guy that i was

2859
01:55:48,149 --> 01:55:46,080
interviewing said that uh

2860
01:55:50,149 --> 01:55:48,159
the craft of at least i'm not sure it

2861
01:55:52,310 --> 01:55:50,159
was like the size of the

2862
01:55:53,910 --> 01:55:52,320
city of chicago or something like that

2863
01:55:56,629 --> 01:55:53,920
that he was on

2864
01:55:58,629 --> 01:55:56,639
many many times so with all of these

2865
01:56:01,350 --> 01:55:58,639
guys it's it's

2866
01:56:02,550 --> 01:56:01,360
far larger crafts and the usual disks

2867
01:56:04,709 --> 01:56:02,560
for sure

2868
01:56:07,109 --> 01:56:04,719
that these are places where

2869
01:56:09,910 --> 01:56:07,119
people alien people conduct their

2870
01:56:11,109 --> 01:56:09,920
experiments and their lives as well

2871
01:56:12,070 --> 01:56:11,119
so um

2872
01:56:18,229 --> 01:56:12,080
what do you

2873
01:56:20,229 --> 01:56:18,239
because look i have heard the same

2874
01:56:24,470 --> 01:56:20,239
things that you're describing right now

2875
01:56:26,629 --> 01:56:24,480
right and a lot of it and there are

2876
01:56:28,709 --> 01:56:26,639
tens of thousands if not millions of

2877
01:56:31,189 --> 01:56:28,719
people on this planet that will tell you

2878
01:56:33,669 --> 01:56:31,199
the exact same story

2879
01:56:36,550 --> 01:56:33,679
is everybody crazy or is there something

2880
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:39,189
none of them are the exact same story

2881
01:56:44,390 --> 01:56:41,440
but what we do is we fuse

2882
01:56:47,510 --> 01:56:44,400
similarities together to heighten

2883
01:56:48,550 --> 01:56:47,520
our sense of uh not only togetherness

2884
01:56:52,149 --> 01:56:48,560
but a

2885
01:56:53,750 --> 01:56:52,159
possibility that that this is real and

2886
01:56:55,109 --> 01:56:53,760
i think for most of

2887
01:56:56,550 --> 01:56:55,119
the people

2888
01:56:59,830 --> 01:56:56,560
uh it's some

2889
01:57:02,550 --> 01:56:59,840
biochemical anomaly in their mind that

2890
01:57:04,390 --> 01:57:02,560
creates these hallucinations and but i

2891
01:57:05,750 --> 01:57:04,400
wouldn't want to ever discount that some

2892
01:57:07,589 --> 01:57:05,760
of this stuff

2893
01:57:10,950 --> 01:57:07,599
actually happens and that people are

2894
01:57:12,550 --> 01:57:10,960
truly visited by other life forms

2895
01:57:15,030 --> 01:57:12,560
i i would

2896
01:57:17,510 --> 01:57:15,040
never in a million years discount that

2897
01:57:19,750 --> 01:57:17,520
for all i know that's very possible and

2898
01:57:22,229 --> 01:57:19,760
so forth and that people have been taken

2899
01:57:24,390 --> 01:57:22,239
up in ships and people have been visited

2900
01:57:26,070 --> 01:57:24,400
and have interaction with with other

2901
01:57:29,350 --> 01:57:26,080
life forms um

2902
01:57:31,350 --> 01:57:29,360
and so i think that's just as true as

2903
01:57:33,990 --> 01:57:31,360
the fact that most of these people uh

2904
01:57:36,950 --> 01:57:34,000
have like i say biochemical deficiencies

2905
01:57:39,669 --> 01:57:36,960
and are triggering these hallucinations

2906
01:57:42,229 --> 01:57:39,679
as well so i think it works both ways

2907
01:57:44,790 --> 01:57:42,239
i guess i have a chemical imbalance i

2908
01:57:46,709 --> 01:57:44,800
knew i had issues

2909
01:57:48,390 --> 01:57:46,719
we'll pick this up or you may really be

2910
01:57:50,709 --> 01:57:48,400
visited you know

2911
01:57:51,589 --> 01:57:50,719
trust me there is something going on

2912
01:57:53,270 --> 01:57:51,599
mark

2913
01:57:54,870 --> 01:57:53,280
we'll pick this up when we come back we

2914
01:57:56,870 --> 01:57:54,880
got to take a break right here our guest

2915
01:57:59,350 --> 01:57:56,880
tonight filmmaker screenwriter

2916
01:58:01,030 --> 01:57:59,360
playwright mark borchardt is with us

2917
01:58:03,510 --> 01:58:01,040
we're talking about of course his new

2918
01:58:05,350 --> 01:58:03,520
film the dundee project this is faded

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01:58:08,310 --> 01:58:05,360
black our murals jimmy church you can

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[Music]

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01:58:16,530 --> 01:58:15,040
that more the scarier

2925
01:58:17,990 --> 01:58:16,540
say that again

2926
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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church tonight our guest mark

3017
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filmmaker screenwriter playwrights his

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the digital download you will get

3023
02:03:14,070 --> 02:03:10,480
another oh man like

3024
02:03:16,709 --> 02:03:14,080
30 minutes of bonus footage of uh mark

3025
02:03:19,510 --> 02:03:16,719
out on the festival circuit

3026
02:03:22,390 --> 02:03:19,520
and i i gotta say the film is great but

3027
02:03:24,629 --> 02:03:22,400
the uh the extras that they've included

3028
02:03:26,950 --> 02:03:24,639
over there mark are pretty cool man it's

3029
02:03:28,709 --> 02:03:26,960
uh it's really good stuff my my hats off

3030
02:03:29,750 --> 02:03:28,719
to you

3031
02:03:32,310 --> 02:03:29,760
nice

3032
02:03:35,189 --> 02:03:32,320
now uh okay

3033
02:03:37,430 --> 02:03:35,199
this is this is one of the things that i

3034
02:03:39,270 --> 02:03:37,440
find most interesting that is going on

3035
02:03:41,990 --> 02:03:39,280
right now and it started about 10 years

3036
02:03:44,950 --> 02:03:42,000
ago with the program called ancient

3037
02:03:47,750 --> 02:03:44,960
aliens which i don't know if you've seen

3038
02:03:49,589 --> 02:03:47,760
but i don't watch tv right if you've

3039
02:03:52,390 --> 02:03:49,599
said that many times you don't watch tv

3040
02:03:54,470 --> 02:03:52,400
this show ancient aliens mark

3041
02:03:56,550 --> 02:03:54,480
is uh

3042
02:03:59,030 --> 02:03:56,560
either number one or number two on all

3043
02:04:01,750 --> 02:03:59,040
of cable television right

3044
02:04:03,109 --> 02:04:01,760
and it's it's huge it's a huge show and

3045
02:04:04,709 --> 02:04:03,119
what it

3046
02:04:05,910 --> 02:04:04,719
suggests

3047
02:04:08,310 --> 02:04:05,920
is that

3048
02:04:10,790 --> 02:04:08,320
we're not only are we not alone but we

3049
02:04:14,070 --> 02:04:10,800
have been visited a lot in the distant

3050
02:04:15,030 --> 02:04:14,080
past you know the pyramids in egypt or

3051
02:04:19,910 --> 02:04:15,040
or

3052
02:04:22,790 --> 02:04:19,920
megalithic monuments that are all around

3053
02:04:25,669 --> 02:04:22,800
the planet there's in paintings and cave

3054
02:04:27,589 --> 02:04:25,679
carvings and cave paintings that that

3055
02:04:30,229 --> 02:04:27,599
the suggestion of visitation is

3056
02:04:33,589 --> 02:04:30,239
everywhere but what has come along with

3057
02:04:36,790 --> 02:04:33,599
that phenomenon in pop culture

3058
02:04:38,629 --> 02:04:36,800
is there are four or five networks now

3059
02:04:39,510 --> 02:04:38,639
on cable television

3060
02:04:42,870 --> 02:04:39,520
with

3061
02:04:45,870 --> 02:04:42,880
nearly 24 hours a day

3062
02:04:48,950 --> 02:04:45,880
of ufo programming it's like

3063
02:04:49,910 --> 02:04:48,960
everywhere now what does that suggest

3064
02:04:51,669 --> 02:04:49,920
well

3065
02:04:53,430 --> 02:04:51,679
this is called america this is a

3066
02:04:56,229 --> 02:04:53,440
capitalistic society based on

3067
02:04:58,950 --> 02:04:56,239
advertising right that's what it is

3068
02:05:01,350 --> 02:04:58,960
right and advertisers want to pay for

3069
02:05:02,709 --> 02:05:01,360
advertising where the most viewers are

3070
02:05:04,709 --> 02:05:02,719
going to be

3071
02:05:06,629 --> 02:05:04,719
and that's where it's at

3072
02:05:09,109 --> 02:05:06,639
it's a crazy

3073
02:05:11,270 --> 02:05:09,119
thing that is happening right now in pop

3074
02:05:15,270 --> 02:05:11,280
culture when it comes to

3075
02:05:17,830 --> 02:05:15,280
the et question and visitation

3076
02:05:19,750 --> 02:05:17,840
what what do you what do you make of

3077
02:05:21,270 --> 02:05:19,760
that i i know that you don't watch

3078
02:05:23,669 --> 02:05:21,280
television but

3079
02:05:25,669 --> 02:05:23,679
certainly the phenomenon is there and

3080
02:05:28,229 --> 02:05:25,679
the networks are responding to it look

3081
02:05:31,189 --> 02:05:28,239
at netflix for example

3082
02:05:34,070 --> 02:05:31,199
stranger things number one program on

3083
02:05:35,030 --> 02:05:34,080
all of television last year stranger

3084
02:05:37,189 --> 02:05:35,040
things

3085
02:05:39,030 --> 02:05:37,199
you know what what what does that

3086
02:05:41,589 --> 02:05:39,040
suggest to you about what is actually

3087
02:05:44,390 --> 02:05:41,599
going on that's an interest in the 80s

3088
02:05:47,990 --> 02:05:44,400
say what oh yeah right

3089
02:05:49,109 --> 02:05:48,000
great 80s soundtrack too as well

3090
02:05:51,589 --> 02:05:49,119
and and it was

3091
02:05:54,390 --> 02:05:51,599
here i read the new york times so i'm

3092
02:05:56,550 --> 02:05:54,400
aware aware of television as a

3093
02:05:58,550 --> 02:05:56,560
from an abstract from an abstracted

3094
02:06:02,470 --> 02:05:58,560
distance

3095
02:06:04,229 --> 02:06:02,480
and so what does that suggest to you

3096
02:06:06,530 --> 02:06:04,239
i mean well people are interested in

3097
02:06:07,640 --> 02:06:06,540
reminiscing about the 80s

3098
02:06:09,510 --> 02:06:07,650
[Music]

3099
02:06:13,270 --> 02:06:09,520
[Applause]

3100
02:06:14,830 --> 02:06:13,280
that is prop hobie cat t-shirts do you

3101
02:06:17,189 --> 02:06:14,840
remember

3102
02:06:20,550 --> 02:06:17,199
those uh

3103
02:06:25,430 --> 02:06:20,560
yeah kind of see it does ring a distant

3104
02:06:26,709 --> 02:06:25,440
bell yeah and i mean but i i'm not so

3105
02:06:29,350 --> 02:06:26,719
sure

3106
02:06:33,189 --> 02:06:29,360
uh how to take all of this right is it

3107
02:06:36,390 --> 02:06:33,199
that they are interested in the

3108
02:06:38,950 --> 02:06:36,400
the subject or that they know

3109
02:06:42,149 --> 02:06:38,960
that is that there is something going on

3110
02:06:43,189 --> 02:06:42,159
and underlying all of this throughout

3111
02:06:45,830 --> 02:06:43,199
the world

3112
02:06:49,589 --> 02:06:45,840
is that everybody's accepted that et is

3113
02:06:51,830 --> 02:06:49,599
here and has been for a very long time

3114
02:06:53,350 --> 02:06:51,840
well something going on that they don't

3115
02:06:56,629 --> 02:06:53,360
realize is that they're wasting their

3116
02:06:58,390 --> 02:06:56,639
time sitting in front of a screen

3117
02:07:00,390 --> 02:06:58,400
no um

3118
02:07:04,310 --> 02:07:00,400
yeah i i don't again like i say i think

3119
02:07:07,030 --> 02:07:04,320
it's just a again a uh mutual pact of

3120
02:07:09,830 --> 02:07:07,040
collective hysteria that goes from

3121
02:07:11,510 --> 02:07:09,840
one object of desire to the next and so

3122
02:07:14,069 --> 02:07:11,520
forth i mean you know we've been around

3123
02:07:15,430 --> 02:07:14,079
for hundreds of thousands of years and

3124
02:07:18,390 --> 02:07:15,440
this is nothing

3125
02:07:20,629 --> 02:07:18,400
you know new under the sun so yeah

3126
02:07:22,550 --> 02:07:20,639
that's that would be my answer to that

3127
02:07:24,870 --> 02:07:22,560
it's starting to bring it down jimmy no

3128
02:07:27,430 --> 02:07:24,880
no you're see what i find most

3129
02:07:30,390 --> 02:07:27,440
interesting about this mark is that you

3130
02:07:33,109 --> 02:07:30,400
are outside of our community right

3131
02:07:36,390 --> 02:07:33,119
you're outside you happen to make a film

3132
02:07:39,350 --> 02:07:36,400
about our community which is great right

3133
02:07:41,990 --> 02:07:39,360
but you're outside of it so uh getting a

3134
02:07:44,229 --> 02:07:42,000
fresh perspective on how

3135
02:07:46,950 --> 02:07:44,239
it is viewed from the outside looking

3136
02:07:49,350 --> 02:07:46,960
back in is what we all need to hear i'm

3137
02:07:51,750 --> 02:07:49,360
very interested on all of your views on

3138
02:07:53,750 --> 02:07:51,760
this no absolutely

3139
02:07:55,270 --> 02:07:53,760
and there's another thing that's going

3140
02:07:58,069 --> 02:07:55,280
on too as well

3141
02:07:59,350 --> 02:07:58,079
uh which is paranormal tv and ghost

3142
02:08:02,790 --> 02:07:59,360
hunting and

3143
02:08:05,109 --> 02:08:02,800
and going out and and and trying to uh

3144
02:08:07,830 --> 02:08:05,119
videotape ghosts inside of homes they're

3145
02:08:09,990 --> 02:08:07,840
like just like the ufo phenomenon

3146
02:08:13,430 --> 02:08:10,000
there is a

3147
02:08:14,870 --> 02:08:13,440
huge cottage industry huge i mean

3148
02:08:17,830 --> 02:08:14,880
ginormous

3149
02:08:19,910 --> 02:08:17,840
of uh paranormal groups going out ghost

3150
02:08:22,790 --> 02:08:19,920
hunting and making a tv show about it

3151
02:08:24,950 --> 02:08:22,800
it's all over the place now and i'm not

3152
02:08:26,790 --> 02:08:24,960
sure how to take this

3153
02:08:27,669 --> 02:08:26,800
is it because

3154
02:08:30,069 --> 02:08:27,679
we

3155
02:08:32,470 --> 02:08:30,079
know that there is life after death and

3156
02:08:34,229 --> 02:08:32,480
that ghosts are real or that people just

3157
02:08:36,069 --> 02:08:34,239
want to be scared

3158
02:08:38,550 --> 02:08:36,079
you know what is it people people just

3159
02:08:39,910 --> 02:08:38,560
want to be scared i mean um you know

3160
02:08:41,350 --> 02:08:39,920
that's

3161
02:08:42,790 --> 02:08:41,360
how would they know if there's life

3162
02:08:45,109 --> 02:08:42,800
after death and i'll tell you another

3163
02:08:46,629 --> 02:08:45,119
thing i'd be far more concerned about

3164
02:08:47,589 --> 02:08:46,639
what you're doing in the here and now

3165
02:08:50,069 --> 02:08:47,599
because

3166
02:08:52,310 --> 02:08:50,079
once you die and it's like dang i'm dead

3167
02:08:54,310 --> 02:08:52,320
man there's nothing happening here man i

3168
02:08:56,550 --> 02:08:54,320
should have lived those last 80 years

3169
02:08:58,629 --> 02:08:56,560
like that was the only life i had

3170
02:09:01,270 --> 02:08:58,639
and and which side of the fence are you

3171
02:09:06,629 --> 02:09:04,229
how how how would i how would i know

3172
02:09:09,510 --> 02:09:06,639
what happens after you

3173
02:09:11,990 --> 02:09:09,520
die i mean i assume you just take your

3174
02:09:14,629 --> 02:09:12,000
last last breath and start the rot and

3175
02:09:18,310 --> 02:09:14,639
so on and so forth or who knows maybe

3176
02:09:20,470 --> 02:09:18,320
your your mind continues and that's i

3177
02:09:22,390 --> 02:09:20,480
you're asking the wrong guy uh you know

3178
02:09:24,390 --> 02:09:22,400
how the hell would i know that no i'm

3179
02:09:28,069 --> 02:09:24,400
asking the right guy actually because

3180
02:09:29,350 --> 02:09:28,079
what you just said is the exact uh

3181
02:09:31,430 --> 02:09:29,360
conundrum

3182
02:09:33,910 --> 02:09:31,440
right that we have been wondering about

3183
02:09:35,830 --> 02:09:33,920
since the dawn of you guys i haven't i

3184
02:09:37,750 --> 02:09:35,840
don't give a damn you know i'm just like

3185
02:09:39,589 --> 02:09:37,760
living my life thinking mad i'm glad i

3186
02:09:42,069 --> 02:09:39,599
got my health my well-being i have my

3187
02:09:44,629 --> 02:09:42,079
wits the last thing i'm thinking about

3188
02:09:47,030 --> 02:09:44,639
is what happens after i don't have time

3189
02:09:48,229 --> 02:09:47,040
for that

3190
02:09:59,030 --> 02:09:48,239
the

3191
02:10:01,510 --> 02:09:59,040
loved one coming back that has died in

3192
02:10:04,149 --> 02:10:01,520
your family and coming back and possibly

3193
02:10:07,589 --> 02:10:04,159
visiting you later

3194
02:10:09,510 --> 02:10:07,599
i mean and and so for what for what for

3195
02:10:12,229 --> 02:10:09,520
what would be the purpose of that this

3196
02:10:13,350 --> 02:10:12,239
is so interesting

3197
02:10:15,750 --> 02:10:13,360
could be

3198
02:10:17,910 --> 02:10:15,760
how about just hello

3199
02:10:19,910 --> 02:10:17,920
and well they they had been about 80

3200
02:10:21,109 --> 02:10:19,920
years to do that

3201
02:10:22,550 --> 02:10:21,119
of course what they were doing with

3202
02:10:23,910 --> 02:10:22,560
their time

3203
02:10:26,629 --> 02:10:23,920
right right

3204
02:10:30,390 --> 02:10:26,639
have and so what you're suggesting here

3205
02:10:36,550 --> 02:10:32,390
not that i'm aware of no

3206
02:10:38,310 --> 02:10:36,560
and again like i say i i i um

3207
02:10:40,390 --> 02:10:38,320
i actually i

3208
02:10:42,870 --> 02:10:40,400
uh based upon

3209
02:10:45,910 --> 02:10:42,880
circumstantial evidence i do

3210
02:10:48,790 --> 02:10:45,920
believe that that that could exist

3211
02:10:52,629 --> 02:10:48,800
resonance from the uh from a previous

3212
02:10:54,950 --> 02:10:52,639
life i i i don't doubt that at all

3213
02:10:57,350 --> 02:10:54,960
and this is this is such a great

3214
02:10:59,990 --> 02:10:57,360
conversation so

3215
02:11:01,589 --> 02:11:00,000
you are in your room

3216
02:11:02,629 --> 02:11:01,599
you're at night you're trying to get to

3217
02:11:04,950 --> 02:11:02,639
sleep

3218
02:11:06,950 --> 02:11:04,960
and you see

3219
02:11:09,430 --> 02:11:06,960
some kind of form at the foot of your

3220
02:11:11,030 --> 02:11:09,440
bed and you sit up and you look at it

3221
02:11:13,030 --> 02:11:11,040
knowledge let's just go here for a

3222
02:11:13,990 --> 02:11:13,040
second and you look and you say to

3223
02:11:15,510 --> 02:11:14,000
yourself

3224
02:11:17,350 --> 02:11:15,520
that

3225
02:11:20,069 --> 02:11:17,360
is a ghost

3226
02:11:21,189 --> 02:11:20,079
that is something in my room

3227
02:11:23,109 --> 02:11:21,199
does that

3228
02:11:24,950 --> 02:11:23,119
and then it just disappears you wake up

3229
02:11:26,470 --> 02:11:24,960
the next day and you're thinking about

3230
02:11:29,109 --> 02:11:26,480
what just happened

3231
02:11:32,950 --> 02:11:29,119
does that change you

3232
02:11:34,149 --> 02:11:32,960
are you changed now or are you still

3233
02:11:36,069 --> 02:11:34,159
the same person that's having this

3234
02:11:37,669 --> 02:11:36,079
conversation with me right now on the

3235
02:11:39,750 --> 02:11:37,679
air

3236
02:11:42,149 --> 02:11:39,760
i i think that you're changed and i

3237
02:11:44,069 --> 02:11:42,159
think you're changed

3238
02:11:46,069 --> 02:11:44,079
probably

3239
02:11:49,109 --> 02:11:46,079
for the rest of your life because you

3240
02:11:51,189 --> 02:11:49,119
now have to consider the ramifications

3241
02:11:53,589 --> 02:11:51,199
of what you just saw and

3242
02:11:55,030 --> 02:11:53,599
with the implications of it so i think i

3243
02:11:56,629 --> 02:11:55,040
don't think that it

3244
02:11:58,390 --> 02:11:56,639
will haunt you

3245
02:12:00,870 --> 02:11:58,400
to that great of a degree but i think

3246
02:12:03,589 --> 02:12:00,880
yeah it will definitely change your uh

3247
02:12:04,950 --> 02:12:03,599
perspective on on things for sure

3248
02:12:07,669 --> 02:12:04,960
one of the things when you brought this

3249
02:12:11,030 --> 02:12:07,679
up earlier uh you

3250
02:12:13,350 --> 02:12:11,040
suggested that science is is solid and

3251
02:12:15,030 --> 02:12:13,360
you can't you can't you know argue with

3252
02:12:17,669 --> 02:12:15,040
science right the amount you can't

3253
02:12:19,430 --> 02:12:17,679
because you can't you can't argue

3254
02:12:22,229 --> 02:12:19,440
with it at all there's no argument

3255
02:12:24,470 --> 02:12:22,239
against science right and so absolute

3256
02:12:27,189 --> 02:12:24,480
and and today

3257
02:12:29,750 --> 02:12:27,199
a theoretical physicist physicist

3258
02:12:30,709 --> 02:12:29,760
astrophysicist i could go on and on and

3259
02:12:32,830 --> 02:12:30,719
on

3260
02:12:34,950 --> 02:12:32,840
are now

3261
02:12:36,950 --> 02:12:34,960
firmly uh

3262
02:12:40,229 --> 02:12:36,960
looking into

3263
02:12:42,550 --> 02:12:40,239
a parallel world a multiverse type of

3264
02:12:43,589 --> 02:12:42,560
situation quantum mechanics quantum

3265
02:12:47,109 --> 02:12:43,599
theory

3266
02:12:49,990 --> 02:12:47,119
uh cubits where the the the atomic

3267
02:12:51,910 --> 02:12:50,000
structure of things operates in another

3268
02:12:54,950 --> 02:12:51,920
version of us

3269
02:12:57,030 --> 02:12:54,960
that reacts you know next to you mark to

3270
02:12:59,270 --> 02:12:57,040
your right to your left are infinite

3271
02:13:00,950 --> 02:12:59,280
parallel versions of you

3272
02:13:03,830 --> 02:13:00,960
they're just a little bit different

3273
02:13:05,510 --> 02:13:03,840
right and in that world today you had a

3274
02:13:08,790 --> 02:13:05,520
grilled cheese sandwich for lunch and in

3275
02:13:10,629 --> 02:13:08,800
the parallel world you had tomato soup

3276
02:13:13,350 --> 02:13:10,639
you didn't have you know but it still

3277
02:13:15,750 --> 02:13:13,360
looks like you you know it's almost

3278
02:13:18,790 --> 02:13:15,760
and they are okay with that because

3279
02:13:22,310 --> 02:13:18,800
quantum and qubits and atomic

3280
02:13:25,030 --> 02:13:22,320
uh particles are entangled and operating

3281
02:13:27,350 --> 02:13:25,040
with themselves at these great distances

3282
02:13:30,629 --> 02:13:27,360
now what this suggests is

3283
02:13:32,149 --> 02:13:30,639
not only parallel worlds but that there

3284
02:13:34,149 --> 02:13:32,159
is something

3285
02:13:35,669 --> 02:13:34,159
right next to you right now you just

3286
02:13:38,629 --> 02:13:35,679
can't see it

3287
02:13:41,430 --> 02:13:38,639
now this is where science is

3288
02:13:43,430 --> 02:13:41,440
and this was science fiction 10 or 20

3289
02:13:46,870 --> 02:13:43,440
years ago

3290
02:13:48,470 --> 02:13:46,880
this changes everything doesn't it

3291
02:13:50,950 --> 02:13:48,480
yeah well that's that's completely

3292
02:13:53,030 --> 02:13:50,960
believable and i don't think it changes

3293
02:13:54,950 --> 02:13:53,040
everything in in any way shape or form

3294
02:13:57,270 --> 02:13:54,960
but um

3295
02:13:59,350 --> 02:13:57,280
you know there's there's also

3296
02:14:01,750 --> 02:13:59,360
that that may or may not be the case i

3297
02:14:03,510 --> 02:14:01,760
mean i i think that it can very very

3298
02:14:05,589 --> 02:14:03,520
much be the case but

3299
02:14:08,229 --> 02:14:05,599
also scientifically

3300
02:14:11,189 --> 02:14:08,239
uh everything is actually predetermined

3301
02:14:13,589 --> 02:14:11,199
down to the sub atomic article it can be

3302
02:14:15,669 --> 02:14:13,599
mathematically predetermined from the

3303
02:14:17,350 --> 02:14:15,679
beginning of whatever the beginning is

3304
02:14:19,510 --> 02:14:17,360
because

3305
02:14:24,870 --> 02:14:19,520
every

3306
02:14:26,629 --> 02:14:24,880
is predicted from that first splitting

3307
02:14:28,470 --> 02:14:26,639
of the particle or however that came

3308
02:14:30,709 --> 02:14:28,480
about a very scary thought that

3309
02:14:32,470 --> 02:14:30,719
everything is ultimately predetermined

3310
02:14:34,229 --> 02:14:32,480
so along with the parallel universe

3311
02:14:37,350 --> 02:14:34,239
theory you may have to deal with that

3312
02:14:40,310 --> 02:14:37,360
theory as well and that probably is

3313
02:14:41,510 --> 02:14:40,320
pretty darn true because

3314
02:14:46,149 --> 02:14:41,520
every

3315
02:14:48,950 --> 02:14:46,159
subatomic particle is is predictable

3316
02:14:51,669 --> 02:14:48,960
from the beginning to the end it has a

3317
02:14:54,069 --> 02:14:51,679
thicker pattern and not one

3318
02:14:55,990 --> 02:14:54,079
thing can be changed in any way because

3319
02:14:57,589 --> 02:14:56,000
even that change is part of the

3320
02:14:58,550 --> 02:14:57,599
prediction so

3321
02:15:01,589 --> 02:14:58,560
you know

3322
02:15:02,470 --> 02:15:01,599
this might be all predetermined down to

3323
02:15:06,790 --> 02:15:02,480
the

3324
02:15:09,030 --> 02:15:06,800
down to us talking right now

3325
02:15:10,229 --> 02:15:09,040
and and yeah this was this was

3326
02:15:12,470 --> 02:15:10,239
determined

3327
02:15:14,870 --> 02:15:12,480
trillions zillions of years ago

3328
02:15:17,750 --> 02:15:14,880
this conversation it's unavoidable

3329
02:15:20,069 --> 02:15:17,760
that's right and in in our community

3330
02:15:22,310 --> 02:15:20,079
where you know free will is something

3331
02:15:23,270 --> 02:15:22,320
that is discussed online well free will

3332
02:15:25,430 --> 02:15:23,280
is pretty

3333
02:15:27,589 --> 02:15:25,440
previous free free bill

3334
02:15:29,270 --> 02:15:27,599
would be part of that pre-meditation i

3335
02:15:30,709 --> 02:15:29,280
know isn't that strange is that a

3336
02:15:32,950 --> 02:15:30,719
paradox

3337
02:15:35,270 --> 02:15:32,960
right is that apparent because it's an

3338
02:15:37,270 --> 02:15:35,280
elusive free will is an illusion it's

3339
02:15:40,550 --> 02:15:37,280
it's a free will is just

3340
02:15:42,870 --> 02:15:40,560
sound waves and it's an idea associated

3341
02:15:44,550 --> 02:15:42,880
with sound waves and so on and so forth

3342
02:15:47,109 --> 02:15:44,560
so it's

3343
02:15:48,790 --> 02:15:47,119
not as hip as you think it is so

3344
02:15:50,790 --> 02:15:48,800
you are

3345
02:15:54,950 --> 02:15:50,800
you're on the set

3346
02:15:57,750 --> 02:15:54,960
scene and you've got your script in your

3347
02:16:00,470 --> 02:15:57,760
hand that you have rewritten and you

3348
02:16:02,149 --> 02:16:00,480
you've rewritten the page 10 times

3349
02:16:03,109 --> 02:16:02,159
and now you're on the set and you're

3350
02:16:06,310 --> 02:16:03,119
shooting

3351
02:16:09,430 --> 02:16:06,320
and then suddenly you decide to change

3352
02:16:12,310 --> 02:16:09,440
your mind and change a line in the

3353
02:16:16,149 --> 02:16:12,320
dialogue and you are now talking to your

3354
02:16:18,870 --> 02:16:16,159
lead about this change on the page

3355
02:16:20,470 --> 02:16:18,880
is that free will or is that

3356
02:16:23,510 --> 02:16:20,480
predetermined

3357
02:16:25,910 --> 02:16:23,520
do you know why why do you think it's

3358
02:16:27,830 --> 02:16:25,920
just yeah yeah do you think you are

3359
02:16:31,189 --> 02:16:27,840
making a free will decision at that

3360
02:16:33,429 --> 02:16:31,199
point or you were going to say it anyway

3361
02:16:36,950 --> 02:16:33,439
no because that's just a simplistic

3362
02:16:39,429 --> 02:16:36,960
idea of the the ma all it is is a use of

3363
02:16:42,629 --> 02:16:39,439
language is the word change if we take

3364
02:16:45,270 --> 02:16:42,639
out that word and say modify

3365
02:16:47,589 --> 02:16:45,280
it's it's just it's just another why

3366
02:16:49,349 --> 02:16:47,599
don't you say it's another action it's

3367
02:16:51,509 --> 02:16:49,359
everything is an action another action

3368
02:16:53,589 --> 02:16:51,519
that's been premeditated take out the

3369
02:16:56,070 --> 02:16:53,599
word change change sound very dramatic

3370
02:16:58,709 --> 02:16:56,080
like you're making this decision well

3371
02:17:00,870 --> 02:16:58,719
actually change just means another

3372
02:17:03,429 --> 02:17:00,880
action another there's that's all it is

3373
02:17:06,469 --> 02:17:03,439
is another action that was in the way

3374
02:17:09,270 --> 02:17:06,479
you you get beyond the simple idea of

3375
02:17:12,469 --> 02:17:09,280
that word change modify it into a

3376
02:17:16,389 --> 02:17:12,479
slightly more sophisticated one entitled

3377
02:17:18,309 --> 02:17:16,399
another action that then you again lose

3378
02:17:20,549 --> 02:17:18,319
the idea of free will

3379
02:17:23,429 --> 02:17:20,559
yes and i've had what you were saying

3380
02:17:26,870 --> 02:17:23,439
right there i've had this discussion

3381
02:17:29,190 --> 02:17:26,880
with so many people where look i

3382
02:17:31,589 --> 02:17:29,200
i understand the concept of free will i

3383
02:17:34,309 --> 02:17:31,599
understand the community that i'm in and

3384
02:17:38,309 --> 02:17:34,319
i have an open mind but

3385
02:17:39,669 --> 02:17:38,319
math is math and atoms and photons and

3386
02:17:41,669 --> 02:17:39,679
electrons

3387
02:17:42,549 --> 02:17:41,679
and everything else in that subatomic

3388
02:17:45,349 --> 02:17:42,559
world

3389
02:17:48,469 --> 02:17:45,359
is going to do what they are going to do

3390
02:17:52,309 --> 02:17:48,479
anyway and your body is made up of the

3391
02:17:54,629 --> 02:17:52,319
same atoms that rocks are and that's if

3392
02:17:57,190 --> 02:17:54,639
the universe is going to do what it's

3393
02:17:59,270 --> 02:17:57,200
you think you're making a decision and

3394
02:18:01,349 --> 02:17:59,280
that's fine but you were going to make

3395
02:18:03,509 --> 02:18:01,359
that decision anyway

3396
02:18:05,990 --> 02:18:03,519
and i'm going against the grain of my

3397
02:18:08,950 --> 02:18:06,000
own community mark okay so and i'm

3398
02:18:11,830 --> 02:18:08,960
agreeing with you but that's a strange

3399
02:18:13,589 --> 02:18:11,840
concept for most people to uh to digest

3400
02:18:15,910 --> 02:18:13,599
when it comes to free will look at the

3401
02:18:18,070 --> 02:18:15,920
great song by rush

3402
02:18:19,349 --> 02:18:18,080
right it's talking about what we're

3403
02:18:21,429 --> 02:18:19,359
talking about right now i'm talking

3404
02:18:25,110 --> 02:18:21,439
about the song free will

3405
02:18:26,230 --> 02:18:25,120
and do we actually have it is free

3406
02:18:28,389 --> 02:18:26,240
will

3407
02:18:31,110 --> 02:18:28,399
a real concept or

3408
02:18:32,309 --> 02:18:31,120
is math math and things are going to

3409
02:18:34,070 --> 02:18:32,319
play out the way that they're going to

3410
02:18:39,349 --> 02:18:34,080
play out

3411
02:18:41,990 --> 02:18:39,359
there is no such thing as free will free

3412
02:18:43,030 --> 02:18:42,000
will is just an illusion because once

3413
02:18:45,190 --> 02:18:43,040
you

3414
02:18:47,270 --> 02:18:45,200
scientifically examine it for a number

3415
02:18:49,990 --> 02:18:47,280
of seconds you realize it's just these

3416
02:18:51,190 --> 02:18:50,000
arctic these particles in motion and you

3417
02:18:52,709 --> 02:18:51,200
really

3418
02:18:55,030 --> 02:18:52,719
you have nothing to do with it

3419
02:18:57,110 --> 02:18:55,040
essentially you're just part of this

3420
02:18:59,190 --> 02:18:57,120
the machinations of the universe and so

3421
02:19:00,950 --> 02:18:59,200
forth it's okay because

3422
02:19:02,549 --> 02:19:00,960
within a minute we'll forget this free

3423
02:19:05,110 --> 02:19:02,559
will conversation will be back to

3424
02:19:07,270 --> 02:19:05,120
thinking we have free will so if it's in

3425
02:19:10,309 --> 02:19:07,280
a sense it's scary because you're into

3426
02:19:11,589 --> 02:19:10,319
into something in in lockstep abstracted

3427
02:19:12,870 --> 02:19:11,599
from yourself

3428
02:19:14,870 --> 02:19:12,880
you know we

3429
02:19:17,190 --> 02:19:14,880
we just we humanize ourselves instantly

3430
02:19:19,270 --> 02:19:17,200
forget it and we think we're going about

3431
02:19:21,910 --> 02:19:19,280
in the world making all these decisions

3432
02:19:24,070 --> 02:19:21,920
so we're so it's back to being a okay

3433
02:19:26,790 --> 02:19:24,080
again you know we're in in our realm of

3434
02:19:29,030 --> 02:19:26,800
free will again in our minds now how do

3435
02:19:30,790 --> 02:19:29,040
everything works out it's all right so

3436
02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:30,800
you sit down you're sitting down you're

3437
02:19:35,349 --> 02:19:33,040
with getty lee

3438
02:19:37,270 --> 02:19:35,359
right how do you have this conversation

3439
02:19:39,030 --> 02:19:37,280
with getty lee are you going to be able

3440
02:19:41,030 --> 02:19:39,040
to convince him

3441
02:19:43,110 --> 02:19:41,040
of this

3442
02:19:45,190 --> 02:19:43,120
no why would i want to do that i mean it

3443
02:19:46,549 --> 02:19:45,200
wouldn't work to my benefit it's i'm

3444
02:19:48,710 --> 02:19:46,559
going to convince myself hey if i'm

3445
02:19:50,150 --> 02:19:48,720
hungry man i'm gonna get that uh

3446
02:19:52,150 --> 02:19:50,160
take or something that that's that's

3447
02:19:54,469 --> 02:19:52,160
what i'd be thinking but uh you know

3448
02:19:56,469 --> 02:19:54,479
yeah i mean what what would be

3449
02:19:59,270 --> 02:19:56,479
the only reason why you try to convince

3450
02:20:02,469 --> 02:19:59,280
anyone of anything is if you had some

3451
02:20:05,349 --> 02:20:02,479
form of loneliness and you needed to

3452
02:20:07,429 --> 02:20:05,359
have some form of commiseration with

3453
02:20:09,590 --> 02:20:07,439
someone uh

3454
02:20:12,070 --> 02:20:09,600
there are people that do need

3455
02:20:14,630 --> 02:20:12,080
uh psychologically to continue to

3456
02:20:16,630 --> 02:20:14,640
convince people of things and it's a

3457
02:20:18,630 --> 02:20:16,640
psychological need and there's other

3458
02:20:20,389 --> 02:20:18,640
people who who could care less they're

3459
02:20:21,830 --> 02:20:20,399
their own entities that's just the way

3460
02:20:24,389 --> 02:20:21,840
it plays out

3461
02:20:27,590 --> 02:20:24,399
do you deal with that

3462
02:20:30,550 --> 02:20:27,600
same mindset with those that are around

3463
02:20:32,389 --> 02:20:30,560
you friends family co-workers when this

3464
02:20:34,550 --> 02:20:32,399
discussion comes up because it i'm sure

3465
02:20:37,030 --> 02:20:34,560
it comes up a lot

3466
02:20:40,230 --> 02:20:37,040
what discussion the the discussion of

3467
02:20:42,830 --> 02:20:40,240
free will or that we it's the first time

3468
02:20:45,429 --> 02:20:42,840
i've ever had it

3469
02:20:47,750 --> 02:20:45,439
no yeah it's the first time i've ever

3470
02:20:50,150 --> 02:20:47,760
had it the best of my recollection

3471
02:20:52,230 --> 02:20:50,160
i don't in 52 years i do not remember

3472
02:20:55,429 --> 02:20:52,240
discussing this

3473
02:20:58,389 --> 02:20:55,439
and you're you're so elegant in your in

3474
02:21:00,070 --> 02:20:58,399
your description and of of of where you

3475
02:21:01,910 --> 02:21:00,080
are at with this but you've never had

3476
02:21:03,670 --> 02:21:01,920
this conversation before or thought

3477
02:21:07,030 --> 02:21:03,680
about it

3478
02:21:08,550 --> 02:21:07,040
knowledge i have not had this

3479
02:21:10,630 --> 02:21:08,560
conversation

3480
02:21:12,389 --> 02:21:10,640
um about free will

3481
02:21:15,349 --> 02:21:12,399
it may have occurred i have no memory of

3482
02:21:18,550 --> 02:21:15,359
it now uh as we start to wrap up here i

3483
02:21:20,309 --> 02:21:18,560
wanted to uh uh end on this

3484
02:21:23,750 --> 02:21:20,319
the um

3485
02:21:26,469 --> 02:21:23,760
the world the world not only our country

3486
02:21:30,230 --> 02:21:26,479
uh our world milwaukee

3487
02:21:32,790 --> 02:21:30,240
right our world there's a lot of

3488
02:21:35,830 --> 02:21:32,800
there's a lot of division right now that

3489
02:21:38,950 --> 02:21:35,840
is going on where i don't i never felt

3490
02:21:41,830 --> 02:21:38,960
it like this you're 52 i'm 55.

3491
02:21:44,230 --> 02:21:41,840
uh you know we've grown up in the same

3492
02:21:46,870 --> 02:21:44,240
general area too as well

3493
02:21:49,349 --> 02:21:46,880
um i've never felt it like this

3494
02:21:52,070 --> 02:21:49,359
what do you think is causing

3495
02:21:53,750 --> 02:21:52,080
these friends and neighbors and people

3496
02:21:54,550 --> 02:21:53,760
and people that don't even know each

3497
02:21:56,469 --> 02:21:54,560
other

3498
02:21:58,710 --> 02:21:56,479
right now to just

3499
02:22:00,950 --> 02:21:58,720
get so polarized and on the opposite

3500
02:22:04,309 --> 02:22:00,960
sides and and this division that is

3501
02:22:06,389 --> 02:22:04,319
going on what do you think is happening

3502
02:22:09,270 --> 02:22:06,399
um not that because that that's actually

3503
02:22:11,510 --> 02:22:09,280
not occurring that's it's a topic of

3504
02:22:14,870 --> 02:22:11,520
conversation through the newspaper and

3505
02:22:17,670 --> 02:22:14,880
the electronic media and that what what

3506
02:22:19,590 --> 02:22:17,680
when that did occur was in the 60s and

3507
02:22:23,270 --> 02:22:19,600
70s with the generation gap where there

3508
02:22:25,670 --> 02:22:23,280
was actual divisiveness between

3509
02:22:28,950 --> 02:22:25,680
generations and ideology and that was at

3510
02:22:30,510 --> 02:22:28,960
its apex and this is this is not really

3511
02:22:33,750 --> 02:22:30,520
true this is more

3512
02:22:36,070 --> 02:22:33,760
hallucinatory and it's it's now a hobby

3513
02:22:38,630 --> 02:22:36,080
of people to think this and it's

3514
02:22:41,750 --> 02:22:38,640
continually embellished by

3515
02:22:43,110 --> 02:22:41,760
the newspaper and tv and so forth and

3516
02:22:47,910 --> 02:22:43,120
it's it

3517
02:22:49,990 --> 02:22:47,920
whole range of topics where people just

3518
02:22:52,630 --> 02:22:50,000
go on to it and they repeat things and

3519
02:22:54,790 --> 02:22:52,640
it became begins to metastasize

3520
02:22:57,510 --> 02:22:54,800
into collective uh

3521
02:23:00,469 --> 02:22:57,520
you know notions and and where so yeah

3522
02:23:01,270 --> 02:23:00,479
that it doesn't really exist

3523
02:23:03,990 --> 02:23:01,280
but

3524
02:23:05,270 --> 02:23:04,000
it's something to occupy people's minds

3525
02:23:06,630 --> 02:23:05,280
when they're not

3526
02:23:08,550 --> 02:23:06,640
when they should actually be writing the

3527
02:23:11,030 --> 02:23:08,560
great american novel or something like

3528
02:23:13,590 --> 02:23:11,040
that but this divisiveness doesn't exist

3529
02:23:16,150 --> 02:23:13,600
it only exists in hallucinatory terms

3530
02:23:18,630 --> 02:23:16,160
but it did tangibly exist

3531
02:23:21,590 --> 02:23:18,640
in the 60s and 70s where it was like

3532
02:23:24,070 --> 02:23:21,600
empirical it was going down right right

3533
02:23:26,469 --> 02:23:24,080
and why what do you think is the agenda

3534
02:23:27,590 --> 02:23:26,479
for doing that because i i i tend to

3535
02:23:30,070 --> 02:23:27,600
agree

3536
02:23:32,710 --> 02:23:30,080
it's economics it's economics because

3537
02:23:34,070 --> 02:23:32,720
you keep repeating it and then the

3538
02:23:37,190 --> 02:23:34,080
television

3539
02:23:38,150 --> 02:23:37,200
stations and the print ads they bolster

3540
02:23:42,070 --> 02:23:38,160
their

3541
02:23:44,389 --> 02:23:42,080
they can charge the advertisers more hey

3542
02:23:46,870 --> 02:23:44,399
we've got a million people watching in

3543
02:23:51,510 --> 02:23:46,880
you you need to we're jacking up our ad

3544
02:23:52,469 --> 02:23:51,520
rates so as long as the 98

3545
02:23:54,150 --> 02:23:52,479
you know

3546
02:23:57,030 --> 02:23:54,160
believe in this and get into this

3547
02:23:59,990 --> 02:23:57,040
there's money to be made

3548
02:24:02,230 --> 02:24:00,000
and i i see it going on it's like

3549
02:24:05,670 --> 02:24:02,240
they're pushing it right they're pushing

3550
02:24:08,630 --> 02:24:05,680
it they're they're forcing it on to us

3551
02:24:10,710 --> 02:24:08,640
uh that we are divided you should be

3552
02:24:13,190 --> 02:24:10,720
angry you should hate

3553
02:24:15,750 --> 02:24:13,200
you should start these arguments and

3554
02:24:17,750 --> 02:24:15,760
it's it's it's a crazy thing for us to

3555
02:24:20,070 --> 02:24:17,760
sit back and witness and watch it going

3556
02:24:21,990 --> 02:24:20,080
on and you have to ask yourself i'm not

3557
02:24:23,190 --> 02:24:22,000
because for me it does not exist again

3558
02:24:24,870 --> 02:24:23,200
like i say

3559
02:24:27,830 --> 02:24:24,880
it alters

3560
02:24:30,309 --> 02:24:27,840
the subscribers because he gets everyone

3561
02:24:32,230 --> 02:24:30,319
talking about it it continues to be of

3562
02:24:34,309 --> 02:24:32,240
interest and they can jack up those

3563
02:24:37,030 --> 02:24:34,319
those ad rates and uh and and i'm not

3564
02:24:40,550 --> 02:24:37,040
saying that in conspiratorial terms but

3565
02:24:42,550 --> 02:24:40,560
there is a economic reason for this

3566
02:24:45,830 --> 02:24:42,560
because as long as you can keep this

3567
02:24:48,790 --> 02:24:45,840
collective hysteria going and reap the

3568
02:24:51,830 --> 02:24:48,800
financial rewards from it on new shows

3569
02:24:54,150 --> 02:24:51,840
and such uh this this propaganda will

3570
02:24:55,910 --> 02:24:54,160
will continue i mean i'm not down with

3571
02:24:57,670 --> 02:24:55,920
it i know that it doesn't it i mean

3572
02:25:00,070 --> 02:24:57,680
exists to some degrees of course

3573
02:25:01,110 --> 02:25:00,080
absolutely you can't deny that but not

3574
02:25:02,950 --> 02:25:01,120
in the way

3575
02:25:04,309 --> 02:25:02,960
that it's being embellished because for

3576
02:25:12,710 --> 02:25:04,319
the

3577
02:25:15,270 --> 02:25:12,720
you're just talking about a small part

3578
02:25:17,510 --> 02:25:15,280
of the populace and then creating this

3579
02:25:18,790 --> 02:25:17,520
hysteria like it's the majority when

3580
02:25:21,110 --> 02:25:18,800
it's just a

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02:25:24,790 --> 02:25:21,120
very small amount of people actually

3582
02:25:27,910 --> 02:25:24,800
involved in such uh negative clinics

3583
02:25:29,349 --> 02:25:27,920
so it's so well said mark and i i really

3584
02:25:34,469 --> 02:25:29,359
appreciate that

3585
02:25:41,590 --> 02:25:37,990
oh they at they can go to my twitter at

3586
02:25:42,710 --> 02:25:41,600
more the scarier or facebook at mark.org

3587
02:25:46,469 --> 02:25:42,720
dot

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02:25:49,750 --> 02:25:46,479
96 and then go to the uh or they can

3589
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visit thedundeeproject.com

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02:25:53,270 --> 02:25:51,520
and check out a copy of the dundee

3591
02:25:55,110 --> 02:25:53,280
project and i'm gonna

3592
02:25:58,230 --> 02:25:55,120
uh you know one of the next things i'm

3593
02:26:01,270 --> 02:25:58,240
going down to uh houston shooting a

3594
02:26:02,389 --> 02:26:01,280
music video with marzia montezeri and

3595
02:26:04,150 --> 02:26:02,399
it's an another thing that i've been

3596
02:26:06,870 --> 02:26:04,160
doing this is a lot of music videos i

3597
02:26:09,270 --> 02:26:06,880
just did sleeper sound and tenement and

3598
02:26:10,950 --> 02:26:09,280
frontman in the afterthoughts and

3599
02:26:13,190 --> 02:26:10,960
you know so that's another way that i

3600
02:26:15,190 --> 02:26:13,200
that just engage with people is through

3601
02:26:17,190 --> 02:26:15,200
these creative projects and they can

3602
02:26:19,270 --> 02:26:17,200
follow all that at those places that

3603
02:26:21,030 --> 02:26:19,280
i've uh told you as well

3604
02:26:23,590 --> 02:26:21,040
thank you so much and i look forward to

3605
02:26:25,590 --> 02:26:23,600
having you back on the program and i'm

3606
02:26:28,950 --> 02:26:25,600
just going to tell you right now if you

3607
02:26:31,830 --> 02:26:28,960
ever want me on cinema fireside

3608
02:26:33,590 --> 02:26:31,840
it would be an honor

3609
02:26:35,990 --> 02:26:33,600
well then we'll do that because that

3610
02:26:37,910 --> 02:26:36,000
life's too short to play games so we'll

3611
02:26:41,349 --> 02:26:37,920
look forward to doing that jimmy thank

3612
02:26:43,750 --> 02:26:41,359
you so much mark i look forward uh so

3613
02:26:45,190 --> 02:26:43,760
much to this conversation and was all of

3614
02:26:47,030 --> 02:26:45,200
that and much more for me in the

3615
02:26:49,510 --> 02:26:47,040
audience thank you so much

3616
02:26:51,590 --> 02:26:49,520
and uh enjoy the cold up there i know

3617
02:26:53,750 --> 02:26:51,600
it's december the holidays are coming

3618
02:26:57,030 --> 02:26:53,760
you're in milwaukee

3619
02:26:59,830 --> 02:26:57,040
how much snow is up there right now

3620
02:27:03,190 --> 02:26:59,840
none none yet um

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02:27:04,950 --> 02:27:03,200
really it's it's a nasty cold right now

3622
02:27:06,150 --> 02:27:04,960
because of that moisture

3623
02:27:09,190 --> 02:27:06,160
but um

3624
02:27:11,030 --> 02:27:09,200
the snow has yet to arrive so right now

3625
02:27:13,429 --> 02:27:11,040
it's a blessing that it's it's not here

3626
02:27:16,710 --> 02:27:13,439
yet there's nothing like

3627
02:27:18,550 --> 02:27:16,720
when you stand out and and face the wind

3628
02:27:20,950 --> 02:27:18,560
off of lake michigan

3629
02:27:22,790 --> 02:27:20,960
you have never felt cold until you have

3630
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experienced that and i don't care who

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you are

3632
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i've experienced that in the morning off

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lake michigan and it is the worst one of

3634
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the worst things in the world you never

3635
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thaw out thank you so much mark be safe

3636
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and be well and happy holidays to you

3637
02:27:43,750 --> 02:27:40,399
happy holidays jimmy thank you so much

3638
02:27:46,389 --> 02:27:43,760
great conversation mark borchardt again

3639
02:27:49,309 --> 02:27:46,399
it's more the scarier on twitter at more

3640
02:27:51,670 --> 02:27:49,319
the scarier uh facebook is over at

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jimmychurchradio.com and of course the

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links for the dundee project are right

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there for you highly recommended go and

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check it out and the bonus stuff is

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really great too as well our meals jimmy

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i'm gonna get out of here and come back

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after this break and take some phone

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calls

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[Music]

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02:32:50,550 --> 02:32:48,950
all right welcome back fade to black i'm

3738
02:32:54,309 --> 02:32:50,560
the old jimmy church

3739
02:32:59,510 --> 02:32:56,790
can't keep it up it just

3740
02:33:01,270 --> 02:32:59,520
it's time for a new chair

3741
02:33:04,550 --> 02:33:01,280
do you guys remember i want to thank

3742
02:33:07,590 --> 02:33:04,560
mark borchardt an amazing conversation

3743
02:33:09,830 --> 02:33:07,600
uh tonight and i i really look forward

3744
02:33:12,469 --> 02:33:09,840
to this and if uh

3745
02:33:14,309 --> 02:33:12,479
if you're familiar with mark and and you

3746
02:33:15,590 --> 02:33:14,319
understand where he is and where he uh

3747
02:33:18,630 --> 02:33:15,600
you know who he is and where he's coming

3748
02:33:21,990 --> 02:33:18,640
from then you totally got and enjoyed

3749
02:33:24,309 --> 02:33:22,000
this conversation tonight because he is

3750
02:33:25,990 --> 02:33:24,319
a very talented very unique individual

3751
02:33:29,429 --> 02:33:26,000
and i want to thank him for that

3752
02:33:32,389 --> 02:33:29,439
man i enjoyed every minute every word

3753
02:33:33,830 --> 02:33:32,399
of the conversation tonight

3754
02:33:35,190 --> 02:33:33,840
that being said i wanted to get that out

3755
02:33:37,270 --> 02:33:35,200
of the way before i

3756
02:33:39,990 --> 02:33:37,280
uh i'm not going to lose my thought do

3757
02:33:42,630 --> 02:33:40,000
you guys remember the squeaky chair

3758
02:33:44,630 --> 02:33:42,640
remember the squeaky chair remember that

3759
02:33:46,150 --> 02:33:44,640
remember that and i i went through like

3760
02:33:50,309 --> 02:33:46,160
two chairs and

3761
02:33:54,469 --> 02:33:50,319
in three months the squeaky chair

3762
02:33:56,950 --> 02:33:54,479
and yes i do remember this yes

3763
02:33:59,910 --> 02:33:56,960
the squeaky chair well i you know and so

3764
02:34:02,389 --> 02:33:59,920
i went out i got this one

3765
02:34:04,790 --> 02:34:02,399
dropped all that dosh on it and it's

3766
02:34:06,950 --> 02:34:04,800
lasted me almost

3767
02:34:10,150 --> 02:34:06,960
man like three four years and it's not

3768
02:34:11,349 --> 02:34:10,160
squeaking look you see it doesn't squeak

3769
02:34:13,110 --> 02:34:11,359
it makes

3770
02:34:15,429 --> 02:34:13,120
the the arms are a little loose now

3771
02:34:18,389 --> 02:34:15,439
after all these years but um

3772
02:34:21,110 --> 02:34:18,399
i can't it won't stay up

3773
02:34:23,750 --> 02:34:21,120
i've i've tried every lock feature every

3774
02:34:26,230 --> 02:34:23,760
this everything just it just

3775
02:34:28,950 --> 02:34:26,240
it goes down it's time for a new chair

3776
02:34:32,230 --> 02:34:28,960
you know uh we got rita

3777
02:34:34,070 --> 02:34:32,240
a racing chair it's like some kind of

3778
02:34:36,950 --> 02:34:34,080
recaro

3779
02:34:38,950 --> 02:34:36,960
ferrari i forget the brand

3780
02:34:42,550 --> 02:34:38,960
something like that it's a crazy nice

3781
02:34:44,710 --> 02:34:42,560
chair and she's got it going on so maybe

3782
02:34:47,349 --> 02:34:44,720
maybe i've i need to upgrade

3783
02:34:50,790 --> 02:34:47,359
i need to upgrade all right i'm opening

3784
02:34:52,630 --> 02:34:50,800
up the phone lines three two three eight

3785
02:34:56,550 --> 02:34:52,640
two five

3786
02:34:57,990 --> 02:34:56,560
five zero four five or three two three

3787
02:34:59,110 --> 02:34:58,000
where where are my phone numbers three

3788
02:35:02,550 --> 02:34:59,120
two three

3789
02:35:04,150 --> 02:35:02,560
two seven five nine six nine five or

3790
02:35:05,270 --> 02:35:04,160
eight one eight nine two one six nine

3791
02:35:07,670 --> 02:35:05,280
two nine

3792
02:35:09,349 --> 02:35:07,680
and uh there you go let's uh we've got a

3793
02:35:10,870 --> 02:35:09,359
few minutes left uh before the end of

3794
02:35:13,750 --> 02:35:10,880
the show we'll open up the conversation

3795
02:35:16,710 --> 02:35:13,760
let's go to every code 408 you are up on

3796
02:35:19,270 --> 02:35:16,720
fade to black who's calling

3797
02:35:21,110 --> 02:35:19,280
hi jimmy it's deb from sacramento hi deb

3798
02:35:23,750 --> 02:35:21,120
from sacramento how are you is it

3799
02:35:26,550 --> 02:35:23,760
snowing up there

3800
02:35:28,630 --> 02:35:26,560
no it's very cold though no snow yet

3801
02:35:31,670 --> 02:35:28,640
yeah it's cold we don't get snow very

3802
02:35:33,910 --> 02:35:31,680
often unfortunately i very much enjoyed

3803
02:35:36,469 --> 02:35:33,920
your conversation with mark

3804
02:35:37,590 --> 02:35:36,479
and um the thing that i love i mean

3805
02:35:39,750 --> 02:35:37,600
everything he said he's such an

3806
02:35:41,590 --> 02:35:39,760
intelligent person and very engaging

3807
02:35:43,590 --> 02:35:41,600
himself

3808
02:35:45,670 --> 02:35:43,600
i love it when he said you know

3809
02:35:48,630 --> 02:35:45,680
i already know what i know but i don't

3810
02:35:50,870 --> 02:35:48,640
know what other people think and so i

3811
02:35:53,510 --> 02:35:50,880
want to listen to them and i think if we

3812
02:35:54,550 --> 02:35:53,520
all had that attitude we'd all be a lot

3813
02:35:55,270 --> 02:35:54,560
smarter

3814
02:36:01,510 --> 02:35:55,280
he

3815
02:36:04,550 --> 02:36:01,520
uh you have a guy like mark look mark is

3816
02:36:07,270 --> 02:36:04,560
smart right okay so that that that is

3817
02:36:08,389 --> 02:36:07,280
that is the reality of that

3818
02:36:10,950 --> 02:36:08,399
but

3819
02:36:13,990 --> 02:36:10,960
and he's creative and yes he just

3820
02:36:16,870 --> 02:36:14,000
completed this this short film on what

3821
02:36:18,309 --> 02:36:16,880
of all things a ufo conference

3822
02:36:20,790 --> 02:36:18,319
right so

3823
02:36:23,510 --> 02:36:20,800
uh you know the the film comes out i

3824
02:36:25,190 --> 02:36:23,520
want to know i want to know what drew

3825
02:36:27,510 --> 02:36:25,200
him to the conference i want to know

3826
02:36:28,870 --> 02:36:27,520
when you watch it and you see who he's

3827
02:36:30,950 --> 02:36:28,880
engaged with

3828
02:36:33,030 --> 02:36:30,960
i want to know these things you know the

3829
02:36:34,950 --> 02:36:33,040
obvious you know did you see anything in

3830
02:36:37,510 --> 02:36:34,960
the skies you know do you believe in

3831
02:36:39,110 --> 02:36:37,520
ufos okay there's that part of it but

3832
02:36:41,270 --> 02:36:39,120
it's how

3833
02:36:43,830 --> 02:36:41,280
the our community

3834
02:36:47,030 --> 02:36:43,840
and conferences like this and us and

3835
02:36:48,950 --> 02:36:47,040
ufos and are perceived outside of our

3836
02:36:51,750 --> 02:36:48,960
community looking in coming from

3837
02:36:54,309 --> 02:36:51,760
somebody uh like him

3838
02:36:56,389 --> 02:36:54,319
so he's the absolute perfect guest you

3839
02:36:58,150 --> 02:36:56,399
know and and i want to know

3840
02:37:01,030 --> 02:36:58,160
and his answers

3841
02:37:04,150 --> 02:37:01,040
were incredible the conversation was

3842
02:37:06,150 --> 02:37:04,160
incredible and we need that perspective

3843
02:37:07,429 --> 02:37:06,160
it puts us back into focus a little bit

3844
02:37:12,630 --> 02:37:07,439
it's like

3845
02:37:15,270 --> 02:37:12,640
the scales it's the balance it's the

3846
02:37:17,429 --> 02:37:15,280
ying and the yang

3847
02:37:19,429 --> 02:37:17,439
absolutely yeah i like that he doesn't

3848
02:37:21,110 --> 02:37:19,439
back down either you know just because

3849
02:37:23,830 --> 02:37:21,120
it's popular somewhere else he's like

3850
02:37:26,309 --> 02:37:23,840
well nope i still you know he stands his

3851
02:37:28,230 --> 02:37:26,319
ground and but he does it with respect

3852
02:37:30,230 --> 02:37:28,240
you know we're not putting other people

3853
02:37:32,230 --> 02:37:30,240
you know on the defensive or anything

3854
02:37:33,349 --> 02:37:32,240
he's just offers his opinion and you

3855
02:37:35,750 --> 02:37:33,359
know

3856
02:37:37,910 --> 02:37:35,760
so i like that too i respect that he's

3857
02:37:40,309 --> 02:37:37,920
he's been doing it

3858
02:37:43,110 --> 02:37:40,319
he's been doing that for years

3859
02:37:45,429 --> 02:37:43,120
and that is and i set that tone at the

3860
02:37:47,349 --> 02:37:45,439
beginning of this conversation tonight

3861
02:37:49,750 --> 02:37:47,359
he has never changed

3862
02:37:52,630 --> 02:37:49,760
right he does his thing

3863
02:37:55,349 --> 02:37:52,640
and you go and you watch his interviews

3864
02:37:57,670 --> 02:37:55,359
and you just watch his intern and or

3865
02:38:00,790 --> 02:37:57,680
watch another documentary or things from

3866
02:38:03,429 --> 02:38:00,800
his past or whatever he is the same guy

3867
02:38:06,389 --> 02:38:03,439
and so once you know

3868
02:38:08,070 --> 02:38:06,399
uh who what he is and and you know what

3869
02:38:09,910 --> 02:38:08,080
he is about and you listen to this

3870
02:38:13,270 --> 02:38:09,920
conversation tonight you got mark

3871
02:38:14,469 --> 02:38:13,280
borchardt in in in spades that was a

3872
02:38:16,389 --> 02:38:14,479
great conversation

3873
02:38:18,230 --> 02:38:16,399
i'll do it again i cannot wait to have

3874
02:38:21,190 --> 02:38:18,240
him back on the show all right you were

3875
02:38:22,710 --> 02:38:21,200
gonna say and then oh

3876
02:38:24,710 --> 02:38:22,720
two real quick things your daughter

3877
02:38:26,230 --> 02:38:24,720
nicole has a great radio voice on the

3878
02:38:27,750 --> 02:38:26,240
commercial i hope she's interested in

3879
02:38:29,830 --> 02:38:27,760
radio because she would be a natural i

3880
02:38:31,590 --> 02:38:29,840
think she inherited your talent

3881
02:38:32,710 --> 02:38:31,600
she uh

3882
02:38:36,070 --> 02:38:32,720
she took

3883
02:38:37,429 --> 02:38:36,080
college

3884
02:38:43,030 --> 02:38:37,439
and

3885
02:38:46,710 --> 02:38:43,040
just that

3886
02:38:48,790 --> 02:38:46,720
and to get credit and so

3887
02:38:52,230 --> 02:38:48,800
well if she's gonna do a voice over in a

3888
02:38:53,750 --> 02:38:52,240
spot for a radio show go go to pops pops

3889
02:38:56,389 --> 02:38:53,760
has got a radio show

3890
02:38:59,110 --> 02:38:56,399
so she cut it yeah she

3891
02:39:01,910 --> 02:38:59,120
she uh cut it and sent it to me

3892
02:39:03,590 --> 02:39:01,920
one take i i was just like that's it and

3893
02:39:06,070 --> 02:39:03,600
so i aired it

3894
02:39:07,990 --> 02:39:06,080
she got credit and

3895
02:39:09,590 --> 02:39:08,000
there you go but i'm not gonna pull it

3896
02:39:11,670 --> 02:39:09,600
out because it's really cool she's

3897
02:39:14,150 --> 02:39:11,680
really good

3898
02:39:16,469 --> 02:39:14,160
yeah and speaking of your radio show now

3899
02:39:18,389 --> 02:39:16,479
last time i spoke with you you wanted to

3900
02:39:21,190 --> 02:39:18,399
pull the video camera out of the bunker

3901
02:39:23,270 --> 02:39:21,200
cam so i have a solution for you

3902
02:39:25,349 --> 02:39:23,280
since you since you don't want to do it

3903
02:39:27,670 --> 02:39:25,359
all the time i think you should have the

3904
02:39:29,590 --> 02:39:27,680
video camera in there on fader nights

3905
02:39:31,590 --> 02:39:29,600
because that's the time that you spend

3906
02:39:33,830 --> 02:39:31,600
with us and take our calls and engage

3907
02:39:35,429 --> 02:39:33,840
the most with us and so have it in there

3908
02:39:37,349 --> 02:39:35,439
on thursdays we'll pull it out the rest

3909
02:39:40,070 --> 02:39:37,359
of the week so that you have some off

3910
02:39:42,070 --> 02:39:40,080
time that's my solution ah

3911
02:39:45,750 --> 02:39:42,080
very smart

3912
02:39:47,590 --> 02:39:45,760
and and rita's listening so we'll see

3913
02:39:50,150 --> 02:39:47,600
you know she's the boss

3914
02:39:51,510 --> 02:39:50,160
you know i can go i can go after the

3915
02:39:53,330 --> 02:39:51,520
choker you know what i'm just done with

3916
02:39:56,630 --> 02:39:53,340
the bunker cam she's like tough

3917
02:39:57,830 --> 02:39:56,640
[Laughter]

3918
02:39:59,190 --> 02:39:57,840
so what

3919
02:40:01,190 --> 02:39:59,200
that's great

3920
02:40:03,990 --> 02:40:01,200
so what okay you know the bunker cam

3921
02:40:06,790 --> 02:40:04,000
stays they want it it stays it's the

3922
02:40:08,550 --> 02:40:06,800
life you chose church now get back in

3923
02:40:10,150 --> 02:40:08,560
there and turn the bunker cam on that's

3924
02:40:12,950 --> 02:40:10,160
that's the answer

3925
02:40:14,550 --> 02:40:12,960
so but but maybe maybe

3926
02:40:16,389 --> 02:40:14,560
so there you go

3927
02:40:17,910 --> 02:40:16,399
thank you so much dad be safe and be

3928
02:40:19,910 --> 02:40:17,920
well

3929
02:40:20,630 --> 02:40:19,920
thank you jimmy you too take care thank

3930
02:40:21,830 --> 02:40:20,640
you

3931
02:40:24,070 --> 02:40:21,840
good night

3932
02:40:27,750 --> 02:40:24,080
hi you're live on fade to black area

3933
02:40:29,670 --> 02:40:27,760
code 830. you're up next

3934
02:40:33,429 --> 02:40:29,680
hey this is neil

3935
02:40:35,750 --> 02:40:33,439
jimmy hey neil how are you

3936
02:40:37,190 --> 02:40:35,760
i'm doing pretty good

3937
02:40:43,270 --> 02:40:37,200
uh

3938
02:40:45,030 --> 02:40:43,280
the plans of the aliens you know a lot

3939
02:40:48,070 --> 02:40:45,040
of people we've been doing a lot of

3940
02:40:50,309 --> 02:40:48,080
these alien conferences and you know

3941
02:40:52,790 --> 02:40:50,319
proven

3942
02:40:54,389 --> 02:40:52,800
that the aliens exist

3943
02:40:56,630 --> 02:40:54,399
you know

3944
02:41:00,830 --> 02:40:56,640
well i think we have to move on to a

3945
02:41:05,510 --> 02:41:03,429
okay because the government

3946
02:41:07,830 --> 02:41:05,520
you know they had that uh to the stars

3947
02:41:09,510 --> 02:41:07,840
they pretty much um

3948
02:41:12,150 --> 02:41:09,520
you know admitted they should they got

3949
02:41:14,790 --> 02:41:12,160
showing footage of aliens you know

3950
02:41:15,750 --> 02:41:14,800
that uh jet you know

3951
02:41:18,230 --> 02:41:15,760
uh

3952
02:41:21,270 --> 02:41:18,240
and all that information like that

3953
02:41:27,110 --> 02:41:23,830
the earth has been a slave plan for for

3954
02:41:28,950 --> 02:41:27,120
these aliens for a long time

3955
02:41:30,870 --> 02:41:28,960
okay well you know i don't want to get

3956
02:41:32,870 --> 02:41:30,880
you sideways here neil but you brought

3957
02:41:35,830 --> 02:41:32,880
up conferences first

3958
02:41:38,309 --> 02:41:35,840
so let's stay on that subject yeah but

3959
02:41:40,070 --> 02:41:38,319
yeah well what i'm saying is

3960
02:41:43,830 --> 02:41:40,080
you know you could only kill the dead

3961
02:41:46,469 --> 02:41:43,840
horse a thousand thousand times you know

3962
02:41:48,070 --> 02:41:46,479
and uh they're really not getting no

3963
02:41:50,469 --> 02:41:48,080
you know they're getting some new

3964
02:41:52,710 --> 02:41:50,479
information but

3965
02:41:53,910 --> 02:41:52,720
we have to get down to the root of the

3966
02:41:57,110 --> 02:41:53,920
problem

3967
02:41:58,550 --> 02:41:57,120
and i know what the root is you know

3968
02:42:00,469 --> 02:41:58,560
uh

3969
02:42:02,550 --> 02:42:00,479
they're abducting us you know they got a

3970
02:42:03,990 --> 02:42:02,560
lot of proof of people getting abducted

3971
02:42:05,429 --> 02:42:04,000
too you know

3972
02:42:07,270 --> 02:42:05,439
but uh

3973
02:42:10,870 --> 02:42:07,280
they have some good aliens and then they

3974
02:42:15,910 --> 02:42:13,670
okay i'm listening

3975
02:42:19,990 --> 02:42:18,790
when we talk about abductions neil

3976
02:42:21,750 --> 02:42:20,000
um

3977
02:42:23,990 --> 02:42:21,760
before i say what do you think is going

3978
02:42:27,110 --> 02:42:24,000
on have you

3979
02:42:31,349 --> 02:42:27,120
yourself either witnessed or been part

3980
02:42:35,030 --> 02:42:32,950
well i've been i think i've been

3981
02:42:36,070 --> 02:42:35,040
abducted because one time i was in a

3982
02:42:38,150 --> 02:42:36,080
vision

3983
02:42:39,750 --> 02:42:38,160
and

3984
02:42:41,910 --> 02:42:39,760
i was running

3985
02:42:43,349 --> 02:42:41,920
around and i think it was a spaceship

3986
02:42:45,750 --> 02:42:43,359
and they had three people sitting in a

3987
02:42:47,590 --> 02:42:45,760
chair and then and some people i was

3988
02:42:48,790 --> 02:42:47,600
like hiding in the wall you know and i

3989
02:42:51,110 --> 02:42:48,800
could see these

3990
02:42:53,030 --> 02:42:51,120
black people had guns

3991
02:42:56,230 --> 02:42:53,040
in the hallway and i think they couldn't

3992
02:42:57,190 --> 02:42:56,240
see me and like i started running and

3993
02:42:59,190 --> 02:42:57,200
then

3994
02:43:02,070 --> 02:42:59,200
i saw these three people in a chair like

3995
02:43:04,150 --> 02:43:02,080
some kind of starship you know

3996
02:43:07,110 --> 02:43:04,160
because you know i think i was in the

3997
02:43:09,190 --> 02:43:07,120
ufo you know and all at once bam you

3998
02:43:10,469 --> 02:43:09,200
know something hit me in the head and i

3999
02:43:11,510 --> 02:43:10,479
felt it

4000
02:43:13,830 --> 02:43:11,520
you know

4001
02:43:15,349 --> 02:43:13,840
and that's the last thing i remember

4002
02:43:17,429 --> 02:43:15,359
uh

4003
02:43:18,790 --> 02:43:17,439
but um well that's the last thing you

4004
02:43:23,910 --> 02:43:18,800
want

4005
02:43:26,070 --> 02:43:23,920
get knocked in the head that's not cool

4006
02:43:29,270 --> 02:43:26,080
well i was trying to get away

4007
02:43:30,870 --> 02:43:29,280
you were trying to get away on the ship

4008
02:43:32,150 --> 02:43:30,880
yeah

4009
02:43:34,309 --> 02:43:32,160
i think i was

4010
02:43:36,230 --> 02:43:34,319
i was right they had guns and i was like

4011
02:43:38,389 --> 02:43:36,240
hiding inside the wall i don't know if i

4012
02:43:41,429 --> 02:43:38,399
got some powers of invisibility or

4013
02:43:44,389 --> 02:43:41,439
something you know because one time uh

4014
02:43:46,150 --> 02:43:44,399
like in north dakota i ran from this uh

4015
02:43:48,469 --> 02:43:46,160
devil worshiper and people from

4016
02:43:50,710 --> 02:43:48,479
louisiana and they followed me all the

4017
02:43:53,510 --> 02:43:50,720
way to uh north dakota

4018
02:43:55,670 --> 02:43:53,520
and one night they came down

4019
02:43:57,670 --> 02:43:55,680
and i heard you know i was laying in my

4020
02:44:00,070 --> 02:43:57,680
bed and i heard this woman

4021
02:44:01,429 --> 02:44:00,080
said here let me put something on you

4022
02:44:03,670 --> 02:44:01,439
shiny

4023
02:44:05,670 --> 02:44:03,680
so we could see you

4024
02:44:08,150 --> 02:44:05,680
and i could feel her pin it on you know

4025
02:44:09,030 --> 02:44:08,160
she pinned it right on my you know shirt

4026
02:44:11,190 --> 02:44:09,040
like

4027
02:44:13,910 --> 02:44:11,200
okay forget about that you know forget

4028
02:44:16,309 --> 02:44:13,920
about that meal hold on back up

4029
02:44:18,870 --> 02:44:16,319
you just said you were running from

4030
02:44:21,750 --> 02:44:18,880
devil worshipping people in louisiana

4031
02:44:23,990 --> 02:44:21,760
all the way to north dakota

4032
02:44:26,550 --> 02:44:24,000
yeah okay hold on you can't you can't

4033
02:44:28,070 --> 02:44:26,560
just say that and then just just move on

4034
02:44:29,830 --> 02:44:28,080
in the conversation

4035
02:44:31,349 --> 02:44:29,840
what happened in

4036
02:44:34,230 --> 02:44:31,359
louisiana

4037
02:44:36,790 --> 02:44:34,240
that you got chased out of town were you

4038
02:44:37,590 --> 02:44:36,800
running from them or were they chasing

4039
02:44:39,830 --> 02:44:37,600
you

4040
02:44:41,349 --> 02:44:39,840
what happened

4041
02:44:44,150 --> 02:44:41,359
okay i did it i was doing an

4042
02:44:46,870 --> 02:44:44,160
investigation in the churches the spirit

4043
02:44:48,790 --> 02:44:46,880
told me to go among the churches and

4044
02:44:50,469 --> 02:44:48,800
learn and i said look i don't need to

4045
02:44:52,710 --> 02:44:50,479
learn you know i was

4046
02:44:54,790 --> 02:44:52,720
like almost arguing with them like

4047
02:44:57,190 --> 02:44:54,800
uh i know more that stuff than the

4048
02:44:58,870 --> 02:44:57,200
preacher knows you know and they said no

4049
02:45:01,269 --> 02:44:58,880
we need you to go in there and see

4050
02:45:03,349 --> 02:45:01,279
what's happening so you did you know i

4051
02:45:05,750 --> 02:45:03,359
had to i was

4052
02:45:09,750 --> 02:45:05,760
so i was psychic like right

4053
02:45:11,269 --> 02:45:09,760
and one time i went to a place and

4054
02:45:12,870 --> 02:45:11,279
you know a healing service just to see

4055
02:45:14,870 --> 02:45:12,880
what's happening in the catholic church

4056
02:45:16,550 --> 02:45:14,880
thing and

4057
02:45:19,110 --> 02:45:16,560
this dude went the preacher went around

4058
02:45:21,429 --> 02:45:19,120
putting oil on their head forehead right

4059
02:45:23,429 --> 02:45:21,439
and when he got to me i had my hands out

4060
02:45:26,630 --> 02:45:23,439
meditating like this you know with my

4061
02:45:28,870 --> 02:45:26,640
arms out you know out not out but

4062
02:45:30,150 --> 02:45:28,880
you know with my hands open kind of

4063
02:45:32,150 --> 02:45:30,160
thing

4064
02:45:34,550 --> 02:45:32,160
and he opened the valve

4065
02:45:36,150 --> 02:45:34,560
another he took something out of his uh

4066
02:45:40,630 --> 02:45:36,160
jacket

4067
02:45:42,870 --> 02:45:40,640
and he put this jelly stuff on my wrist

4068
02:45:45,590 --> 02:45:42,880
and i started both of them you know it

4069
02:45:47,750 --> 02:45:45,600
was a lot it was a lot a bunch of it i

4070
02:45:49,910 --> 02:45:47,760
said what the heck is all this you know

4071
02:45:51,590 --> 02:45:49,920
and then i was the last one so we got up

4072
02:45:53,590 --> 02:45:51,600
to start praying

4073
02:45:56,550 --> 02:45:53,600
and all at once uh

4074
02:45:58,150 --> 02:45:56,560
uh my hearing went away in my eyesight

4075
02:45:59,429 --> 02:45:58,160
and i couldn't speak no more and i was

4076
02:46:00,950 --> 02:45:59,439
blacked out

4077
02:46:03,990 --> 02:46:00,960
i woke up

4078
02:46:06,870 --> 02:46:04,000
around 20 minutes later standing up

4079
02:46:09,110 --> 02:46:06,880
and the nuns were in my face saying

4080
02:46:10,950 --> 02:46:09,120
neil you could wake up neal you could

4081
02:46:12,710 --> 02:46:10,960
wake up and i opened my eyes and i was

4082
02:46:14,389 --> 02:46:12,720
like what the heck you know and i'm

4083
02:46:16,389 --> 02:46:14,399
standing up

4084
02:46:19,030 --> 02:46:16,399
how in the heck

4085
02:46:21,190 --> 02:46:19,040
do you get drugged

4086
02:46:22,710 --> 02:46:21,200
and uh

4087
02:46:24,710 --> 02:46:22,720
i'm still standing

4088
02:46:26,469 --> 02:46:24,720
you know

4089
02:46:28,469 --> 02:46:26,479
and uh there were some other things i

4090
02:46:31,590 --> 02:46:28,479
was you know went to different churches

4091
02:46:37,030 --> 02:46:32,630
yeah

4092
02:46:40,790 --> 02:46:37,040
so okay so then how how

4093
02:46:43,190 --> 02:46:40,800
how did you get chased how how did that

4094
02:46:45,750 --> 02:46:43,200
happen did you upset somebody did they

4095
02:46:47,910 --> 02:46:45,760
find out that you were there undercover

4096
02:46:50,630 --> 02:46:47,920
how do you know that the the the satan

4097
02:46:53,030 --> 02:46:50,640
thing came into play and neil i've only

4098
02:46:54,309 --> 02:46:53,040
got uh i've only got about 10 minutes

4099
02:46:56,230 --> 02:46:54,319
left and we've got a lot of stuff to

4100
02:46:58,230 --> 02:46:56,240
answer here how did you find out that

4101
02:47:00,389 --> 02:46:58,240
this was satanic how did you find out it

4102
02:47:03,429 --> 02:47:00,399
was satanic all right

4103
02:47:05,190 --> 02:47:03,439
all right then i went to another church

4104
02:47:07,110 --> 02:47:05,200
and i was you know

4105
02:47:07,910 --> 02:47:07,120
you know you know checking it out you

4106
02:47:10,389 --> 02:47:07,920
know

4107
02:47:13,269 --> 02:47:10,399
and this the spirit followed me home and

4108
02:47:15,110 --> 02:47:13,279
i knew he was uh there and

4109
02:47:16,630 --> 02:47:15,120
he was they were trying to do something

4110
02:47:19,510 --> 02:47:16,640
like uh

4111
02:47:21,750 --> 02:47:19,520
to me or something so i was kind of in

4112
02:47:23,590 --> 02:47:21,760
my mind i said i'ma lay here like a dead

4113
02:47:25,670 --> 02:47:23,600
uh fish

4114
02:47:28,230 --> 02:47:25,680
because they got this fish they uh if

4115
02:47:29,830 --> 02:47:28,240
one person comes and they nibble on you

4116
02:47:31,830 --> 02:47:29,840
and then they go get some more friends

4117
02:47:32,630 --> 02:47:31,840
and they go you know keep on coming back

4118
02:47:34,550 --> 02:47:32,640
right

4119
02:47:36,230 --> 02:47:34,560
so i was just trying to listen to see

4120
02:47:39,750 --> 02:47:36,240
what was going on

4121
02:47:41,990 --> 02:47:39,760
and i heard that spirit say

4122
02:47:44,309 --> 02:47:42,000
i was doing this and he was talking to

4123
02:47:46,309 --> 02:47:44,319
one of his friends or somebody

4124
02:47:50,150 --> 02:47:46,319
and whatever they were doing he said i

4125
02:47:52,630 --> 02:47:50,160
was do i did this to adam long ago just

4126
02:47:55,110 --> 02:47:52,640
like i'm doing to him

4127
02:47:57,110 --> 02:47:55,120
and i said oh boy i got mad too and i

4128
02:47:59,349 --> 02:47:57,120
says okay

4129
02:48:01,750 --> 02:47:59,359
you are the christ and i'm the father

4130
02:48:05,429 --> 02:48:01,760
come to the father and all them spirits

4131
02:48:08,630 --> 02:48:05,439
that that uh devil had it came on top of

4132
02:48:11,510 --> 02:48:08,640
me i felt it and then i left that's when

4133
02:48:13,030 --> 02:48:11,520
i left out of town you know i said

4134
02:48:15,670 --> 02:48:13,040
and they followed me all the way to

4135
02:48:17,510 --> 02:48:15,680
north dakota how do you know

4136
02:48:18,150 --> 02:48:17,520
you know how do you know they followed

4137
02:48:22,309 --> 02:48:18,160
you

4138
02:48:24,309 --> 02:48:22,319
well i could hear them

4139
02:48:25,269 --> 02:48:24,319
i'm psychic

4140
02:48:28,150 --> 02:48:25,279
okay

4141
02:48:30,790 --> 02:48:28,160
oh so the spirits followed you to south

4142
02:48:32,950 --> 02:48:30,800
dakota

4143
02:48:34,389 --> 02:48:32,960
yeah but uh they could be invisible

4144
02:48:37,030 --> 02:48:34,399
aliens because

4145
02:48:38,710 --> 02:48:37,040
see the aliens have technology where

4146
02:48:41,030 --> 02:48:38,720
because i could see the invisible beings

4147
02:48:43,349 --> 02:48:41,040
they're everywhere i mean and i've seen

4148
02:48:45,429 --> 02:48:43,359
some aliens before where they're

4149
02:48:47,190 --> 02:48:45,439
invisible well they're not wearing a

4150
02:48:49,590 --> 02:48:47,200
cloak or nothing because you can have

4151
02:48:52,309 --> 02:48:49,600
two two different ways you could go into

4152
02:48:54,309 --> 02:48:52,319
the invisible uh accelerator

4153
02:48:57,349 --> 02:48:54,319
and be invisible for the rest of your

4154
02:48:59,590 --> 02:48:57,359
life or you could wear a cloak

4155
02:49:01,670 --> 02:48:59,600
you see what i'm saying i do but how do

4156
02:49:03,670 --> 02:49:01,680
you know that they were from because

4157
02:49:04,469 --> 02:49:03,680
what you had said

4158
02:49:06,950 --> 02:49:04,479
is

4159
02:49:08,469 --> 02:49:06,960
you were they chased you all the way

4160
02:49:11,190 --> 02:49:08,479
from

4161
02:49:12,630 --> 02:49:11,200
the satanic uh church

4162
02:49:14,710 --> 02:49:12,640
chased you all the way to south dakota

4163
02:49:17,269 --> 02:49:14,720
so what i'm saying is how do you know it

4164
02:49:19,269 --> 02:49:17,279
was them from new orleans or from

4165
02:49:21,990 --> 02:49:19,279
louisiana

4166
02:49:24,710 --> 02:49:22,000
yeah it was from lafayette uh i knew it

4167
02:49:27,349 --> 02:49:24,720
was them because when i got to north

4168
02:49:30,790 --> 02:49:27,359
dakota whatever was on me

4169
02:49:34,389 --> 02:49:30,800
they jerked it off of me you know

4170
02:49:37,190 --> 02:49:34,399
they took it back and uh

4171
02:49:39,110 --> 02:49:37,200
so uh what they do you know uh

4172
02:49:41,110 --> 02:49:39,120
it was at a catholic church and i knew

4173
02:49:43,510 --> 02:49:41,120
the spirit followed me home because you

4174
02:49:44,870 --> 02:49:43,520
know i could sense see when your central

4175
02:49:45,830 --> 02:49:44,880
perception

4176
02:49:48,469 --> 02:49:45,840
uh

4177
02:49:49,590 --> 02:49:48,479
you have to activate it see we're i'm a

4178
02:49:52,389 --> 02:49:49,600
good example

4179
02:49:54,070 --> 02:49:52,399
jimmy we're artificial intelligence if

4180
02:49:56,630 --> 02:49:54,080
you don't know how to turn on the

4181
02:49:59,349 --> 02:49:56,640
program to start seeing like closing

4182
02:50:00,469 --> 02:49:59,359
your eyelids you know looking at clouds

4183
02:50:02,070 --> 02:50:00,479
um

4184
02:50:04,469 --> 02:50:02,080
you could get on the internet and look

4185
02:50:06,389 --> 02:50:04,479
at uh clouds in the face and you could

4186
02:50:08,070 --> 02:50:06,399
watch the clouds on film and you could

4187
02:50:09,670 --> 02:50:08,080
actually see them moving their mouth and

4188
02:50:12,630 --> 02:50:09,680
stuff okay

4189
02:50:14,950 --> 02:50:12,640
once you get your telepathy going

4190
02:50:17,110 --> 02:50:14,960
you become a higher conscious being

4191
02:50:19,030 --> 02:50:17,120
because you're more of aware

4192
02:50:21,670 --> 02:50:19,040
of er you know you know you know what

4193
02:50:23,990 --> 02:50:21,680
i'm saying um

4194
02:50:25,910 --> 02:50:24,000
interesting yeah and

4195
02:50:28,469 --> 02:50:25,920
yeah but see i'm trying that's why i'm

4196
02:50:30,950 --> 02:50:28,479
trying to do the open eye project to

4197
02:50:32,469 --> 02:50:30,960
teach people

4198
02:50:34,790 --> 02:50:32,479
look at the clouds

4199
02:50:36,469 --> 02:50:34,800
you have to uh when the dawn hours come

4200
02:50:38,309 --> 02:50:36,479
when the sun goes down they're in the

4201
02:50:40,710 --> 02:50:38,319
trees so if you're looking at the trees

4202
02:50:43,030 --> 02:50:40,720
like the movie predator you could half

4203
02:50:45,110 --> 02:50:43,040
see them and have not when you develop

4204
02:50:47,910 --> 02:50:45,120
your eyes to see them

4205
02:50:50,070 --> 02:50:47,920
that's how the um

4206
02:50:52,230 --> 02:50:50,080
artificial intelligence works in the

4207
02:50:53,190 --> 02:50:52,240
human you know flesh you see what i'm

4208
02:50:55,750 --> 02:50:53,200
saying

4209
02:50:57,670 --> 02:50:55,760
but you have to activate it but you have

4210
02:50:59,429 --> 02:50:57,680
to know how to do it

4211
02:51:02,630 --> 02:50:59,439
but see no one

4212
02:51:04,710 --> 02:51:02,640
everywhere not no psychics you know even

4213
02:51:05,510 --> 02:51:04,720
you know these ufo people they don't

4214
02:51:07,750 --> 02:51:05,520
know

4215
02:51:09,910 --> 02:51:07,760
what i'm talking about because

4216
02:51:13,269 --> 02:51:09,920
i'm pretty much the only one doing

4217
02:51:15,190 --> 02:51:13,279
scientific research in this field

4218
02:51:16,830 --> 02:51:15,200
you see what i'm saying

4219
02:51:21,030 --> 02:51:16,840
so when

4220
02:51:23,510 --> 02:51:21,040
you when he got to north dakota

4221
02:51:26,630 --> 02:51:23,520
what happened next i mean i understand

4222
02:51:29,110 --> 02:51:26,640
that they followed you from lafayette

4223
02:51:30,550 --> 02:51:29,120
wasn't lafayette wasn't that

4224
02:51:33,910 --> 02:51:30,560
from um

4225
02:51:36,070 --> 02:51:33,920
what was that that vampire series on

4226
02:51:39,190 --> 02:51:36,080
showtime true blood wasn't that in

4227
02:51:41,429 --> 02:51:39,200
lafayette or that was another city

4228
02:51:43,990 --> 02:51:41,439
anyway so oh i don't know yeah i don't

4229
02:51:47,110 --> 02:51:44,000
know yeah i don't know either so

4230
02:51:51,750 --> 02:51:47,120
you get to uh north dakota what happens

4231
02:51:55,990 --> 02:51:53,670
yeah with the first night i got at the

4232
02:51:57,990 --> 02:51:56,000
place where i you know got the job they

4233
02:52:00,630 --> 02:51:58,000
gave me a place to stay and i worked you

4234
02:52:03,190 --> 02:52:00,640
know working off field they pulled it

4235
02:52:06,870 --> 02:52:03,200
off of me i felt them jerk it off

4236
02:52:09,510 --> 02:52:06,880
right you know first they jerked off

4237
02:52:10,469 --> 02:52:09,520
and they went after my leg part and they

4238
02:52:11,830 --> 02:52:10,479
took

4239
02:52:13,269 --> 02:52:11,840
everything

4240
02:52:15,349 --> 02:52:13,279
uh

4241
02:52:17,990 --> 02:52:15,359
back you know but they had to do it

4242
02:52:20,550 --> 02:52:18,000
physically they couldn't do it

4243
02:52:22,070 --> 02:52:20,560
by the word see you see what i'm saying

4244
02:52:23,670 --> 02:52:22,080
they didn't do it

4245
02:52:26,389 --> 02:52:23,680
uh

4246
02:52:28,630 --> 02:52:26,399
these alien technology i know all the

4247
02:52:30,950 --> 02:52:28,640
technology i'm a good example the planet

4248
02:52:31,990 --> 02:52:30,960
that they blew up between mars and

4249
02:52:34,150 --> 02:52:32,000
jupiter

4250
02:52:34,950 --> 02:52:34,160
i'm going to talk about the technology

4251
02:52:37,590 --> 02:52:34,960
uh

4252
02:52:39,670 --> 02:52:37,600
i know how to blow up a planet it's very

4253
02:52:42,469 --> 02:52:39,680
easy the only thing you got to do is

4254
02:52:44,790 --> 02:52:42,479
take two ships with big laser uh

4255
02:52:46,389 --> 02:52:44,800
machines and shoot at the north and

4256
02:52:48,230 --> 02:52:46,399
south pole and then it's just gonna

4257
02:52:51,030 --> 02:52:48,240
start generate and then it's gonna blow

4258
02:52:53,510 --> 02:52:51,040
up okay so i know a lot of technology

4259
02:52:56,469 --> 02:52:53,520
the other one is uh the other technology

4260
02:52:59,030 --> 02:52:56,479
they're doing you know uh venus venus

4261
02:53:01,670 --> 02:52:59,040
used to be in the green part if you look

4262
02:53:04,070 --> 02:53:01,680
at venus they got a bulge in it what

4263
02:53:06,710 --> 02:53:04,080
happened was if you take another planet

4264
02:53:08,950 --> 02:53:06,720
or spaceship and run into it it it's

4265
02:53:11,590 --> 02:53:08,960
spinning the opposite way

4266
02:53:12,790 --> 02:53:11,600
okay if you flip over the planet upside

4267
02:53:15,030 --> 02:53:12,800
down

4268
02:53:16,710 --> 02:53:15,040
it's gonna uh spin the opposite way you

4269
02:53:19,910 --> 02:53:16,720
see what i'm saying so that's all

4270
02:53:23,429 --> 02:53:21,429
you see what i'm saying so i know a lot

4271
02:53:25,269 --> 02:53:23,439
of things that's going on it's the same

4272
02:53:26,790 --> 02:53:25,279
thing with earth i've often thought

4273
02:53:28,309 --> 02:53:26,800
about that why

4274
02:53:29,349 --> 02:53:28,319
why

4275
02:53:31,429 --> 02:53:29,359
do

4276
02:53:33,750 --> 02:53:31,439
we

4277
02:53:36,710 --> 02:53:33,760
rotate the way that you know they talk

4278
02:53:38,790 --> 02:53:36,720
about clockwise or it depends if you're

4279
02:53:40,630 --> 02:53:38,800
what view you're looking at

4280
02:53:42,550 --> 02:53:40,640
if it's forward or backwards but we'll

4281
02:53:44,389 --> 02:53:42,560
pick up this conversation tomorrow night

4282
02:53:46,790 --> 02:53:44,399
neil it's a fader night so i'll see you

4283
02:53:48,630 --> 02:53:46,800
tomorrow night

4284
02:53:50,070 --> 02:53:48,640
yeah i just wanted to tell you about the

4285
02:53:52,950 --> 02:53:50,080
technology

4286
02:53:56,389 --> 02:53:52,960
because i'm really scientifically know a

4287
02:53:58,150 --> 02:53:56,399
lot of things right and uh

4288
02:53:59,750 --> 02:53:58,160
these spirits they're attacking me i

4289
02:54:03,269 --> 02:53:59,760
have to use i have to sleep with a

4290
02:54:05,670 --> 02:54:03,279
machete every night i use sage and i use

4291
02:54:07,750 --> 02:54:05,680
firecrackers they tack my feet and i

4292
02:54:10,790 --> 02:54:07,760
throw these firecrackers around my feet

4293
02:54:13,190 --> 02:54:10,800
and around my car and it actually blows

4294
02:54:14,630 --> 02:54:13,200
them up you could kill these darn things

4295
02:54:16,550 --> 02:54:14,640
you know all right

4296
02:54:18,710 --> 02:54:16,560
we'll talk about this tomorrow night

4297
02:54:20,870 --> 02:54:18,720
okay

4298
02:54:23,750 --> 02:54:20,880
all right thank you so much neil i gotta

4299
02:54:24,550 --> 02:54:23,760
get out of here thank you so much

4300
02:54:26,150 --> 02:54:24,560
all right

4301
02:54:28,550 --> 02:54:26,160
have a good day later i have a good

4302
02:54:30,870 --> 02:54:28,560
night uh always a great conversation

4303
02:54:32,950 --> 02:54:30,880
with neil let's go to uh eric eric

4304
02:54:35,830 --> 02:54:32,960
what's going on man

4305
02:54:37,830 --> 02:54:35,840
now you know i gotta go meet this guy

4306
02:54:40,150 --> 02:54:37,840
because i mean i'll tell you let me just

4307
02:54:41,190 --> 02:54:40,160
say this we saw that poll earlier that

4308
02:54:43,910 --> 02:54:41,200
had uh

4309
02:54:46,469 --> 02:54:43,920
tyler and and nap and nori but but

4310
02:54:48,630 --> 02:54:46,479
nobody gets calls like that and that's

4311
02:54:50,630 --> 02:54:48,640
what separates you and puts you at the

4312
02:54:51,830 --> 02:54:50,640
cream of the crop in my opinion don't

4313
02:54:56,070 --> 02:54:51,840
stop

4314
02:54:57,830 --> 02:54:56,080
seriously though i mean this we got

4315
02:54:59,750 --> 02:54:57,840
that guy is a great storyteller i'm not

4316
02:55:01,830 --> 02:54:59,760
sure if he's trolling you or if he

4317
02:55:03,910 --> 02:55:01,840
really sincerely means everything he's

4318
02:55:07,190 --> 02:55:03,920
telling you wow

4319
02:55:09,030 --> 02:55:07,200
and i i'll always take uh neil's call

4320
02:55:10,550 --> 02:55:09,040
yeah neil's off yeah neil's awesome

4321
02:55:11,670 --> 02:55:10,560
neil's awesome so what's on your mind

4322
02:55:13,750 --> 02:55:11,680
man

4323
02:55:15,670 --> 02:55:13,760
then no i think your guest uh it was

4324
02:55:17,349 --> 02:55:15,680
classic because i don't know is about a

4325
02:55:19,910 --> 02:55:17,359
third of the way into the show and you

4326
02:55:21,269 --> 02:55:19,920
pose the scenario to him and he just

4327
02:55:23,670 --> 02:55:21,279
came right out and said that's

4328
02:55:25,510 --> 02:55:23,680
ridiculous

4329
02:55:28,469 --> 02:55:25,520
let me tell you man let me tell you he

4330
02:55:33,269 --> 02:55:28,479
is he is he's talented he's smart he's

4331
02:55:35,190 --> 02:55:33,279
cool he's fun and that was a great great

4332
02:55:38,070 --> 02:55:35,200
great show tonight

4333
02:55:40,630 --> 02:55:38,080
and um i somebody pinched me man you

4334
02:55:42,710 --> 02:55:40,640
know mark borchardt was on fade to black

4335
02:55:45,030 --> 02:55:42,720
and it just don't get no better man

4336
02:55:46,309 --> 02:55:45,040
and uh and he was you know

4337
02:55:48,550 --> 02:55:46,319
he uh

4338
02:55:51,110 --> 02:55:48,560
he doesn't do stuff like he's a radio

4339
02:55:53,349 --> 02:55:51,120
show host right and you can go listen to

4340
02:55:56,950 --> 02:55:53,359
his shows and and check out the radio

4341
02:55:58,870 --> 02:55:56,960
station there in milwaukee 104.1 and and

4342
02:56:00,790 --> 02:55:58,880
he's got it going on but he doesn't go

4343
02:56:02,230 --> 02:56:00,800
on other shows he doesn't like to get

4344
02:56:04,150 --> 02:56:02,240
interviewed he doesn't like to talk he

4345
02:56:06,230 --> 02:56:04,160
does he doesn't know

4346
02:56:07,670 --> 02:56:06,240
he just doesn't care

4347
02:56:11,590 --> 02:56:07,680
he doesn't care

4348
02:56:13,190 --> 02:56:11,600
you know and he's a cool dude he's way

4349
02:56:14,630 --> 02:56:13,200
he's way cool

4350
02:56:16,469 --> 02:56:14,640
and you know what's weird is he's from

4351
02:56:18,150 --> 02:56:16,479
menomonee falls and i actually lived

4352
02:56:20,309 --> 02:56:18,160
there for one year and it was the worst

4353
02:56:22,469 --> 02:56:20,319
year in my in my life and i'll never

4354
02:56:24,389 --> 02:56:22,479
forget but the people there were the

4355
02:56:26,469 --> 02:56:24,399
coolest people i think i've ever met in

4356
02:56:28,309 --> 02:56:26,479
any state i've ever visited so you just

4357
02:56:30,309 --> 02:56:28,319
this guy puts off a vibe where he's just

4358
02:56:34,389 --> 02:56:30,319
really a real person i dig that about

4359
02:56:36,309 --> 02:56:34,399
man as real as it gets and if you know

4360
02:56:37,830 --> 02:56:36,319
go check out have you seen the dundee

4361
02:56:40,230 --> 02:56:37,840
project yet

4362
02:56:42,710 --> 02:56:40,240
no i'm gonna watch it though just go and

4363
02:56:44,710 --> 02:56:42,720
check it out man he is he's amazing

4364
02:56:47,269 --> 02:56:44,720
and and when you get the digital

4365
02:56:48,870 --> 02:56:47,279
download there's another 30 minutes of

4366
02:56:50,790 --> 02:56:48,880
interviews with him

4367
02:56:52,710 --> 02:56:50,800
go and check that out okay you know he

4368
02:56:55,269 --> 02:56:52,720
didn't want me to mention this tonight

4369
02:56:57,670 --> 02:56:55,279
but uh i'll say that if people are gonna

4370
02:56:59,190 --> 02:56:57,680
go research he was on david letterman

4371
02:57:01,750 --> 02:56:59,200
five times

4372
02:57:03,349 --> 02:57:01,760
you know and go and go and watch some of

4373
02:57:05,750 --> 02:57:03,359
the david letterman interviews man

4374
02:57:07,429 --> 02:57:05,760
they're just awesome and

4375
02:57:09,910 --> 02:57:07,439
uh that's that's

4376
02:57:12,309 --> 02:57:09,920
there you go man mark porchard was on

4377
02:57:13,990 --> 02:57:12,319
fade to black and okay so here's my

4378
02:57:15,030 --> 02:57:14,000
here's my theory by the way i'm not

4379
02:57:17,030 --> 02:57:15,040
really a theory here's what i'm

4380
02:57:20,150 --> 02:57:17,040
proposing is we have him come out to

4381
02:57:23,510 --> 02:57:20,160
soul text next year oh he would be great

4382
02:57:25,590 --> 02:57:23,520
yeah he would be great that he said yeah

4383
02:57:27,830 --> 02:57:25,600
he would he would be great he would be

4384
02:57:31,110 --> 02:57:27,840
great up at east eddie and let him film

4385
02:57:33,670 --> 02:57:31,120
and and do his thing absolutely

4386
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absolutely we should do that

4387
02:57:36,469 --> 02:57:35,040
for that by the way if you want to if

4388
02:57:39,830 --> 02:57:36,479
you need like some if we need to get him

4389
02:57:42,309 --> 02:57:39,840
there somehow now we'll take care of it

4390
02:57:43,750 --> 02:57:42,319
this isn't a charity organization man

4391
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all you need to do

4392
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just show up and bring me another acdc

4393
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t-shirt that's all you need to do

4394
02:57:52,790 --> 02:57:50,880
okay was pretty you gotta admit that

4395
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time that tie-dye's cool man but i wear

4396
02:57:56,790 --> 02:57:55,040
that ac dc all the time all right i

4397
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gotta get out of here man i gotta roll

4398
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some credits i'll see you tomorrow night

4399
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all right have a good night and that

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wraps another episode of fade to black i

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gotta thank mark borchardt amazing

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and uh all of his

4403
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all of his

4404
02:58:17,030 --> 02:58:14,399
links are up at jimmychurchradio.com

4405
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and you can follow him at more

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the scarier

4407
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on twitter

4408
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all right there you go we'll see

4409
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everybody tomorrow night it is fader

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night fade to blacks executive producers

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02:59:00,630 --> 02:58:58,800
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4428
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4429
02:59:08,230 --> 02:59:06,640
follow me on twitter at j church radio

4430
02:59:09,990 --> 02:59:08,240
we'll see everybody tomorrow night it's

4431
02:59:12,870 --> 02:59:10,000
fader night teresa and eris is going to

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be here but until then

4433
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everybody be safe